Why so small?

[Jason Ward]

The source code for ReactOS is only 30MB.
The project has been going for 10 years so why so small?

Is there a need for any developers who can program assembler?
I use the ReactOS assembler. RosAsm.  http://www.rosasm.org

Or do you only program in C and C++?

[Alex Ionescu]

The source code for ReactOS is about 200MB last time I checked. Please
disregard this message as spam.

Also, FYI, RosASM is a non-approved, trademark-violating project that
misrepresents itself as a ReactOS-funded/supported utility. This is probably
one of their developer’s spam email.



From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.org [mailto:[e-mail]] On
Behalf Of Jason Ward
Sent: March-25-07 9:35 AM
To: ros-dev(a)reactos.org
Subject: [ros-dev] Why so small?

The source code for ReactOS is only 30MB.
The project has been going for 10 years so why so small?
 
Is there a need for any developers who can program assembler?
I use the ReactOS assembler. RosAsm.  http://www.rosasm.org
 
Or do you only program in C and C++?

[Anders Bergh]

Why is that assembler called RosASM anyway?

On 3/25/07, Alex Ionescu <ionucu(a)videotron.ca> wrote:
>   The source code for ReactOS is about 200MB last time I
> checked. Please
>  disregard this message as spam.
>
>  Also, FYI, RosASM is a non-approved, trademark-violating project that
>  misrepresents itself as a ReactOS-funded/supported utility. This is probably
>  one of their developer's spam email.
>
>
>
>  From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.org [mailto:[e-mail]] On
>  Behalf Of Jason Ward
>  Sent: March-25-07 9:35 AM
>  To: ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  Subject: [ros-dev] Why so small?
>
>  The source code for ReactOS is only 30MB.
>  The project has been going for 10 years so why so small?
>
>  Is there a need for any developers who can program assembler?
>  I use the ReactOS assembler. RosAsm. http://www.rosasm.org
>
>  Or do you only program in C and C++?
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>  

-- 
Anders

[Alex Ionescu]

As an attempt to gain some sort of credibility. The people behind it (betov
& co) are well-known and hated among the professional ASM development
community (most notably on the ASM newsgroups).

-----Original Message-----
From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.org [mailto:[e-mail]] On
Behalf Of Anders Bergh
Sent: March-25-07 1:21 PM
To: ReactOS Development List
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Why so small?

Why is that assembler called RosASM anyway?

On 3/25/07, Alex Ionescu <ionucu(a)videotron.ca> wrote:
>   The source code for ReactOS is about 200MB last time I
> checked. Please
>  disregard this message as spam.
>
>  Also, FYI, RosASM is a non-approved, trademark-violating project that
>  misrepresents itself as a ReactOS-funded/supported utility. This is 
probably
>   one of their developer's spam email.
>
>
>
>  From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.org [mailto:[e-mail]] On
>  Behalf Of Jason Ward
>  Sent: March-25-07 9:35 AM
>  To: ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  Subject: [ros-dev] Why so small?
>
>  The source code for ReactOS is only 30MB.
>  The project has been going for 10 years so why so small?
>
>  Is there a need for any developers who can program assembler?
>  I use the ReactOS assembler. RosAsm. http://www.rosasm.org
>
>  Or do you only program in C and C++?
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>  

-- 
Anders
_______________________________________________
Ros-dev mailing list
Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

[Jason Ward]

I didn't know that. I started using that assembler in December. I started
this message. It is not spam.

RosBE, where can I get this? what does it stand for?
So you use NASM. I would be happy to help. Although I know nothing about OS
development.

So you only use C. Not C++? Great, it would probably be a faster OS that
way.

But if the project has been going fo 10 years then why hasn't a stable
version been released yet?

Is all the necessary documentation that I need on the ReactOS site?

Remember, I am a complete noob when it comes to OS programming.

Thanks for the info about RosAsm. I will switch to NASM.

[DJR]

Just because a project is started does not mean any code is written
right away. There's a planning stage a lot of times with new projects.
And the devs (as far as I know) don't get paid so there time is limited
to when they have free time.

>   But if the project has been going fo 10 years then why
> hasn't a stable
>  version been released yet?

[Zachary Gorden]

Go to the ReactOS home page, click the big download button, and you'll see a
link for the build environment.

All mainstream operating systems use C.  And finally, it took Microsoft five
years to get Vista out the door, and that's building on an existing
codebase.  ReactOS wrote most things from scratch.

[Tim Woods]

In the last 3 years an Amazing amount of work has gone into ReactOS.
I'm sure that if these bright minds tried to make a non-nt-os from
scratch they would already have a stable version however they are
implementing NT. The project only goes as fast as the community that
supports it. We are still in alpha yet reactos can run most of the
apps that I care about for windows. That's pretty good. It will be way
worth it when more drivers can be supported and a new cache manager is
written.

On 3/26/07, Zachary Gorden <drakekaizer666(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>   Go to the ReactOS home page, click the big download
> button, and you'll see a
>  link for the build environment.
>
>  All mainstream operating systems use C.  And finally, it took Microsoft five
>  years to get Vista out the door, and that's building on an existing
>  codebase.  ReactOS wrote most things from scratch.
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>

[wac]

And... don't forget that ppl that works in ROS are not paid at all for their
work. And that probably at M$ there are lots of programmers working full
time on top of the beast and being well paid. Probably a lot more than on
top of ROS. To me is simply amazing, and I never had doubts about ROS not
even when there where no graphics at all and no page file. Remember those
days? I missed a lot of fun lately :(.

On 3/26/07, Zachary Gorden <drakekaizer666(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>  
>  Go to the ReactOS home page, click the big download button, and you'll see
>  a link for the build environment.
>
>  All mainstream operating systems use C.  And finally, it took Microsoft
>  five years to get Vista out the door, and that's building on an existing
>  codebase.  ReactOS wrote most things from scratch.
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>

[Jason Ward]

Ok I want to start developing for reactos. I will use NASM. Not C/C++.

So how do I start? do you send me a list of things you want done and then I
do them?
It would take me too long to go through all the source code so I figured
that I could just write
whatever you ask me to.

I am a Com Sci undergraduate. I can program in RosAsm so I shouldn't have
too much trouble converting to NASM. I can read C++. I can program in
python, some basic, pascal. And I am learning Java in University.

I have next to no knowledge of the win32api. I know quite a bit of OpenGL
though.
No Directx knowledge.

[Wesley Parish]

On Monday 02 April 2007 06:40, Jason Ward wrote:
>   Ok I want to start developing for reactos. I will use
> NASM. Not C/C++.
>
>  So how do I start? do you send me a list of things you want done and then I
>  do them?
>  It would take me too long to go through all the source code so I figured
>  that I could just write
>  whatever you ask me to.
>
>  I am a Com Sci undergraduate. I can program in RosAsm so I shouldn't have
>  too much trouble converting to NASM. I can read C++. I can program in
>  python, some basic, pascal. And I am learning Java in University.
>
>  I have next to no knowledge of the win32api. I know quite a bit of OpenGL
>  though. 
First things first, get yourself a copy of theForger's Tutorial:
http://www.winprog.org/tutorial/
Then a copy of Petzold's "Programming Windows".  It will give you a start in

understanding the Win32 API, which is nothing like the POSIX API.

Ignore books like "Windows 2000 Developer's Guide" and so - they tend to be

MFC-heavy and Win32 API-light.  MFC's only useful if you're intending to do 
serious Windows applications development, and so, it's useless for an MS 
Windows-class operating system project like ReactOS.  And besides, MFC's only 
available for people who pay the big bucks for Visual Studio - it's 
Microsoft's proprietary extensions built on top of the Win32 API.

To get your head around the ReactOS kernel, you should take a look at Gary 
Nebbett's "Windows NT/2000 Native API Reference".  Russinovich and 
Solomon's "Windows Internals" is a good start to get your head around the MS

WinNT structure/architecture - it used to be "Inside Windows [NT|2000|etc]".

Hope this helps.

Wesley Parish
>   No Directx knowledge. 
-- 
Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish
-----
Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui?
You ask, what is the most important thing?
Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata.
I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people.

[Anders Bergh]

I could be wrong of course, but isn't MFC available in VC++ 2005
Express, which is free?

On 4/2/07, Wesley Parish <wes.parish(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>   On Monday 02 April 2007 06:40, Jason Ward wrote:
> >   Ok I want to start developing for reactos. I will
> > use NASM. Not C/C++.
> >
> >  So how do I start? do you send me a list of things you want done and then I
> >  do them?
> >  It would take me too long to go through all the source code so I figured
> >  that I could just write
> >  whatever you ask me to.
> >
> >  I am a Com Sci undergraduate. I can program in RosAsm so I shouldn't have
> >  too much trouble converting to NASM. I can read C++. I can program in
> >  python, some basic, pascal. And I am learning Java in University.
> >
> >  I have next to no knowledge of the win32api. I know quite a bit of OpenGL
> >  though. 
>  First things first, get yourself a copy of theForger's Tutorial:
>  http://www.winprog.org/tutorial/
>  Then a copy of Petzold's "Programming Windows".  It will give you a start
> in
>  understanding the Win32 API, which is nothing like the POSIX API.
>
>  Ignore books like "Windows 2000 Developer's Guide" and so - they tend to
> be
>  MFC-heavy and Win32 API-light.  MFC's only useful if you're intending to do
>  serious Windows applications development, and so, it's useless for an MS
>  Windows-class operating system project like ReactOS.  And besides, MFC's only
>  available for people who pay the big bucks for Visual Studio - it's
>  Microsoft's proprietary extensions built on top of the Win32 API.
>
>  To get your head around the ReactOS kernel, you should take a look at Gary
>  Nebbett's "Windows NT/2000 Native API Reference".  Russinovich and
>  Solomon's "Windows Internals" is a good start to get your head around the
> MS
>  WinNT structure/architecture - it used to be "Inside Windows [NT|2000|etc]".
>
>  Hope this helps.
>
>  Wesley Parish
> >   No Directx knowledge. 
>  --
>  Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish
>  -----
>  Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui?
>  You ask, what is the most important thing?
>  Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata.
>  I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people.
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>  

-- 
Anders

[Justin Haygood]

No. ATL and MFC is in Visual Studio only

On 4/2/07, Anders Bergh <anders(a)andersman.org> wrote:
>  
>  I could be wrong of course, but isn't MFC available in VC++ 2005
>  Express, which is free?
>
>  On 4/2/07, Wesley Parish <wes.parish(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >   On Monday 02 April 2007 06:40, Jason Ward wrote:
> >  > Ok I want to start developing for reactos. I will use NASM. Not C/C++.
> >  >
> >  > So how do I start? do you send me a list of things you want done and 
>  then I
> >   > do them?
> >  > It would take me too long to go through all the source code so I 
>  figured
> >   > that I could just write
> >  > whatever you ask me to.
> >  >
> >  > I am a Com Sci undergraduate. I can program in RosAsm so I shouldn't 
> have
> >   > too much trouble converting to NASM. I can
> > read C++. I can program in
> >  > python, some basic, pascal. And I am learning Java in University.
> >  >
> >  > I have next to no knowledge of the win32api. I know quite a bit of 
>  OpenGL
> > >   though.
> >  First things first, get yourself a copy of theForger's Tutorial:
> >  http://www.winprog.org/tutorial/
> >  Then a copy of Petzold's "Programming Windows".  It will give you a 
> start in
> >   understanding the Win32 API, which is nothing
> > like the POSIX API.
> >
> >  Ignore books like "Windows 2000 Developer's Guide" and so - they tend to
>  be
> >   MFC-heavy and Win32 API-light.  MFC's only
> > useful if you're intending to 
>  do
> >   serious Windows applications development, and so,
> > it's useless for an MS
> >  Windows-class operating system project like ReactOS.  And besides, MFC's 
>  only
> >   available for people who pay the big bucks for
> > Visual Studio - it's
> >  Microsoft's proprietary extensions built on top of the Win32 API.
> >
> >  To get your head around the ReactOS kernel, you should take a look at 
>  Gary
> >   Nebbett's "Windows NT/2000 Native API
> > Reference".  Russinovich and
> >  Solomon's "Windows Internals" is a good start to get your head around
>  the MS
> >   WinNT structure/architecture - it used to be
> > "Inside Windows 
>  [NT|2000|etc]".
> >  
> >  Hope this helps.
> >
> >  Wesley Parish
> > >   No Directx knowledge. 
> >  --
> >  Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish
> >  -----
> >  Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui?
> >  You ask, what is the most important thing?
> >  Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata.
> >  I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people.
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  Ros-dev mailing list
> >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> >  
>
>  --
>  Anders
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>

[Samuel serapion]

Isn't it available through the windows sdk (PSDK) ? A free download.

On 4/2/07, Justin Haygood <jhaygood(a)spsu.edu> wrote:
>   No. ATL and MFC is in Visual Studio only
>
>
>  On 4/2/07, Anders Bergh <anders(a)andersman.org> wrote:
> >   I could be wrong of course, but isn't MFC
> > available in VC++ 2005
> >  Express, which is free?
> >
> >  On 4/2/07, Wesley Parish <wes.parish(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >  > On Monday 02 April 2007 06:40, Jason Ward wrote:
> >  > > Ok I want to start developing for reactos. I will use NASM. Not C/C++.
> >  > >
> >  > > So how do I start? do you send me a list of things you want done and 
> then I
> >   > > do them?
> >  > > It would take me too long to go through all the source code so I 
> figured
> >   > > that I could just write
> >  > > whatever you ask me to.
> >  > >
> >  > > I am a Com Sci undergraduate. I can program in RosAsm so I shouldn't 
> have
> >   > > too much trouble converting to NASM. I
> > can read C++. I can program in
> >  > > python, some basic, pascal. And I am learning Java in University.
> >  > >
> >  > > I have next to no knowledge of the win32api. I know quite a bit of 
> OpenGL
> >   > > though.
> >  >
> >  > First things first, get yourself a copy of theForger's Tutorial:
> >  > http://www.winprog.org/tutorial/
> >  > Then a copy of Petzold's "Programming Windows".  It will give you a
>  start in
> >   > understanding the Win32 API, which is
> > nothing like the POSIX API.
> >  >
> >  > Ignore books like "Windows 2000 Developer's Guide" and so - they tend
> > to 
>  be
> >   > MFC-heavy and Win32 API-light.  MFC's
> > only useful if you're intending to 
>  do
> >   > serious Windows applications development,
> > and so, it's useless for an MS
> >  > Windows-class operating system project like ReactOS.  And besides, MFC's 
> only
> >   > available for people who pay the big bucks
> > for Visual Studio - it's
> >  > Microsoft's proprietary extensions built on top of the Win32 API.
> >  >
> >  > To get your head around the ReactOS kernel, you should take a look at 
>  Gary
> >   > Nebbett's "Windows NT/2000 Native
> > API Reference".  Russinovich and
> >  > Solomon's "Windows Internals" is a good start to get your head around
>  the MS
> >   > WinNT structure/architecture - it used to be
> > "Inside Windows 
>  [NT|2000|etc]".
> > >  
> > >  Hope this helps.
> > >
> > >  Wesley Parish
> > > >   No Directx knowledge. 
> > >  --
> > >  Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish
> > >  -----
> > >  Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui?
> > >  You ask, what is the most important thing?
> > >  Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata.
> > >  I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people.
> > >  _______________________________________________
> > >  Ros-dev mailing list
> > >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> > >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > >  
> >
> >  --
> >  Anders
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  Ros-dev mailing list
> >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> >  
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>  

-- 
encoded
Samuel Serapión Vega
Computer Engineering, Polytechnic University of Puerto Rico.

[Justin Haygood]

I don't think so. At least, its not in the Windows Vista SDK?

On 4/9/07, Samuel serapion <samdwise51(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>  
>  Isn't it available through the windows sdk (PSDK) ? A free download.
>
>  On 4/2/07, Justin Haygood <jhaygood(a)spsu.edu> wrote:
> >   No. ATL and MFC is in Visual Studio only
> >
> >
> >  On 4/2/07, Anders Bergh <anders(a)andersman.org> wrote:
> >  > I could be wrong of course, but isn't MFC available in VC++ 2005
> >  > Express, which is free?
> >  >
> >  > On 4/2/07, Wesley Parish <wes.parish(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >  > > On Monday 02 April 2007 06:40, Jason Ward wrote:
> >  > > > Ok I want to start developing for reactos. I will use NASM. Not 
> C/C++.
> >   > > >
> >  > > > So how do I start? do you send me a list of things you want done 
> and
> >   then I
> > >   > > do them?
> > >  > > It would take me too long to go through all the source code so I 
> > figured
> >  > > > that I could just write
> >  > > > whatever you ask me to.
> >  > > >
> >  > > > I am a Com Sci undergraduate. I can program in RosAsm so I 
> shouldn't
> >   have
> >  > > > too much trouble converting to NASM. I can read C++. I can program 
> in
> > >   > >
> > > python, some basic, pascal. And I am learning Java in University.
> > >  > >
> > >  > > I have next to no knowledge of the win32api. I know quite a bit of 
> > OpenGL
> > >   > > though.
> > >  >
> > >  > First things first, get yourself a copy of theForger's Tutorial:
> > >  > http://www.winprog.org/tutorial/
> > >  > Then a copy of Petzold's "Programming Windows".  It will give you a
> >  start in
> >  > > understanding the Win32 API, which is nothing like the POSIX API.
> >  > >
> >  > > Ignore books like "Windows 2000 Developer's Guide" and so - they
>  tend to
> >   be
> >  > > MFC-heavy and Win32 API-light.  MFC's only useful if you're 
> intending to
> >   do
> >  > > serious Windows applications development, and so, it's useless for 
> an MS
> >   > > Windows-class operating system project
> > like ReactOS.  And besides, 
>  MFC's
> >   only
> >  > > available for people who pay the big bucks for Visual Studio - it's
> >  > > Microsoft's proprietary extensions built on top of the Win32 API.
> >  > >
> >  > > To get your head around the ReactOS kernel, you should take a look 
>  at
> >   Gary
> >  > > Nebbett's "Windows NT/2000 Native API Reference".  Russinovich
> > and
> >  > > Solomon's "Windows Internals" is a good start to get your head
>  around
> >   the MS
> > >   > WinNT structure/architecture - it used to be
> > > "Inside Windows 
> >  [NT|2000|etc]".
> > > >  
> > > >  Hope this helps.
> > > >
> > > >  Wesley Parish
> > > >  > No Directx knowledge.
> > > >
> > > >  --
> > > >  Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish
> > > >  -----
> > > >  Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui?
> > > >  You ask, what is the most important thing?
> > > >  Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata.
> > > >  I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people.
> > > >  _______________________________________________
> > > >  Ros-dev mailing list
> > > >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> > > >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > > >  
> > >
> > >  --
> > >  Anders
> > >  _______________________________________________
> > >  Ros-dev mailing list
> > >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> > >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > >  
> >
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  Ros-dev mailing list
> >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> >  
>
>  --
>  encoded
>  Samuel Serapión Vega
>  Computer Engineering, Polytechnic University of Puerto Rico.
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

[Wesley Parish]

And I haven't seen it in the Win2k3 SDK or the WinXP SDK.

But as I say, MFC's only useful if you want to write Win32 applications in 
C++.

On Tuesday 10 April 2007 06:56, Justin Haygood wrote:
>   I don't think so. At least, its not in the Windows
> Vista SDK?
>
>  On 4/9/07, Samuel serapion <samdwise51(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>  > Isn't it available through the windows sdk (PSDK) ? A free download.
>  >
>  > On 4/2/07, Justin Haygood <jhaygood(a)spsu.edu> wrote:
>  > > No. ATL and MFC is in Visual Studio only
>  > >
>  > > On 4/2/07, Anders Bergh <anders(a)andersman.org> wrote:
>  > > > I could be wrong of course, but isn't MFC available in VC++ 2005
>  > > > Express, which is free?
>  > > >
>  > > > On 4/2/07, Wesley Parish <wes.parish(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>  > > > > On Monday 02 April 2007 06:40, Jason Ward wrote:
>  > > > > > Ok I want to start developing for reactos. I will use NASM. Not
>  >
>  > C/C++.
>  >
>  > > > > > So how do I start? do you send me a list of things you want
> done
>  >
>  > and
>  >
>  > > then I
>  > >
>  > > > > > do them?
>  > > > > > It would take me too long to go through all the source code so
> I
>  > >
>  > > figured
>  > >
>  > > > > > that I could just write
>  > > > > > whatever you ask me to.
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > > I am a Com Sci undergraduate. I can program in RosAsm so I
>  >
>  > shouldn't
>  >
>  > > have
>  > >
>  > > > > > too much trouble converting to NASM. I can read C++. I can
>  > > > > > program
>  >
>  > in
>  >
>  > > > > > python, some basic, pascal. And I am learning Java in
> University.
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > > I have next to no knowledge of the win32api. I know quite a bit
>  > > > > > of
>  > >
>  > > OpenGL
>  > >
>  > > > > > though.
>  > > > >
>  > > > > First things first, get yourself a copy of theForger's Tutorial:
>  > > > > http://www.winprog.org/tutorial/
>  > > > > Then a copy of Petzold's "Programming Windows".  It
> will give you a
>  > >
>  > > start in
>  > >
>  > > > > understanding the Win32 API, which is nothing like the POSIX API.
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Ignore books like "Windows 2000 Developer's Guide" and
> so - they
>  >
>  > tend to
>  >
>  > > be
>  > >
>  > > > > MFC-heavy and Win32 API-light.  MFC's only useful if you're
>  >
>  > intending to
>  >
>  > > do
>  > >
>  > > > > serious Windows applications development, and so, it's useless
> for
>  >
>  > an MS
>  >
>  > > > > Windows-class operating system project like ReactOS.  And besides,
>  >
>  > MFC's
>  >
>  > > only
>  > >
>  > > > > available for people who pay the big bucks for Visual Studio -
> it's
>  > > > > Microsoft's proprietary extensions built on top of the Win32
> API.
>  > > > >
>  > > > > To get your head around the ReactOS kernel, you should take a look
>  >
>  > at
>  >
>  > > Gary
>  > >
>  > > > > Nebbett's "Windows NT/2000 Native API Reference". 
> Russinovich and
>  > > > > Solomon's "Windows Internals" is a good start to get
> your head
>  >
>  > around
>  >
>  > > the MS
>  > >
>  > > > > WinNT structure/architecture - it used to be "Inside Windows
>  > >
>  > > [NT|2000|etc]".
>  > >
>  > > > > Hope this helps.
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Wesley Parish
>  > > > >
>  > > > > > No Directx knowledge.
>  > > > >
>  > > > > --
>  > > > > Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish
>  > > > > -----
>  > > > > Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui?
>  > > > > You ask, what is the most important thing?
>  > > > > Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata.
>  > > > > I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people.
>  > > > > _______________________________________________
>  > > > > Ros-dev mailing list
>  > > > > Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  > > > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>  > > >
>  > > > --
>  > > > Anders
>  > > > _______________________________________________
>  > > > Ros-dev mailing list
>  > > > Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  > > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>  > >
>  > > _______________________________________________
>  > > Ros-dev mailing list
>  > > Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>  >
>  > --
>  > encoded
>  > Samuel Serapión Vega
>  > Computer Engineering, Polytechnic University of Puerto Rico.
>  >
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > Ros-dev mailing list
>  > Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev 
-- 
Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish
-----
Gaul is quartered into three halves.  Things which are 
impossible are equal to each other.  Guerrilla 
warfare means up to their monkey tricks. 
Extracts from "Schoolboy Howlers" - the collective wisdom 
of the foolish.
-----
Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui?
You ask, what is the most important thing?
Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata.
I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people.

[Wesley Parish]

On Monday 02 April 2007 06:40, Jason Ward wrote:
>   Ok I want to start developing for reactos. I will use
> NASM. Not C/C++.
>
>  So how do I start? do you send me a list of things you want done and then I
>  do them?
>  It would take me too long to go through all the source code so I figured
>  that I could just write
>  whatever you ask me to.
>
>  I am a Com Sci undergraduate. I can program in RosAsm so I shouldn't have
>  too much trouble converting to NASM. I can read C++. I can program in
>  python, some basic, pascal. And I am learning Java in University.
>
>  I have next to no knowledge of the win32api. I know quite a bit of OpenGL
>  though. 
In addendum: Iczelion's Win32 Assembler Homepage:
http://win32assembly.online.fr/tutorials.html
is a good place to start for learning the Win32 API through Assembler.

Enjoy!

Wesley Parish
>   No Directx knowledge. 
-- 
Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish
-----
Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui?
You ask, what is the most important thing?
Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata.
I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people.

[João Jerónimo]

Jason Ward wrote:
>   RosBE, where can I get this? what does it stand for?
>  So you use NASM. I would be happy to help. Although I know nothing about
>  OS development.
>   
>  So you only use C. Not C++? Great, it would probably be a faster OS that
>  way. 
Any operating system's kernel needs to include some ASM, because the kernel needs to
perform some
low-level processor-specific operations that aren't supported by high level
languages...

And ASM code is generally faster that C code, so.....

>   But if the project has been going fo 10 years then why
> hasn't a stable
>  version been released yet? 
A project of this kind and dimension includes plenty of reverse engeneering and
implementing poorly
documented stuff, so the time is entirely compreensible...

>   Is all the necessary documentation that I need on the
> ReactOS site? 
I don't think so...


JJ



		
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[Klemens Friedl]

2007/3/25, Jason Ward <irnyad(a)gmail.com>om>:
>   The source code for ReactOS is only 30MB.
>  The project has been going for 10 years so why so small? 
33 MB is the zipped
archive of ReactOS 0.3.1 source code.
Source code (text files) can be zipped up to ratio 10% of the original size.

>   Is there a need for any developers who can program
> assembler? 
We are always looking for new devs, everyone who want to help is
welcome.
Most parts of ReactOS are written in C. Some kernel-mode parts are
written in ASM.
Please join the #reactos irc channel, most of the ReactOS devs hang out there.
http://www.reactos.org/en/community_irc.html

>   I use the ReactOS assembler. RosAsm. 
> http://www.rosasm.org 
RosAsm and ReactOS projects are independent. The RosAsm
projects use
the ReactOS brand without permission for markting purpose, such acting
is not tolerable.

The ReactOS project uses its own build package which consists of Mingw
(+ a few patches) and NASM (and more); it's called RosBE.