Hi all!
As you all know, our #reactos-dev IRC channel has been a moderated IRC channel for decades, and only operators (devs) and voiced people can talk. While we always tried to keep discussions dev-related there, no topic has ever been enforced on #reactos. The result is that I see a notable number of developers only on #reactos-dev these days.
This is a pretty bad situation! Emerging developers hardly have a way to interact with all existing devs on IRC. Often enough, legitimate questions from them remain unanswered on #reactos. Moreover, we don't maintain the list of voiced people thoroughly, so even some contributors have to ask for temporary voice on #reactos-dev.
Keep in mind that we're currently in the GSoC phase where students shall submit their proposals and get in touch with the developers. How are they going to do this on IRC if #reactos-dev continues to be an exclusive club?
Because of these reasons, I'm proposing to remove the moderation bit on #reactos-dev and let everybody talk there. Its development topic should be enforced though! As soon as people get too off-topic, they should be directed to #reactos and kicked if nothing else helps. Given that all devs are already operators on #reactos-dev, it's fully in their hands.
Cheers,
Colin
I approve the idea.
On 24 March 2017 at 11:21, Colin Finck colin@reactos.org wrote:
Hi all!
As you all know, our #reactos-dev IRC channel has been a moderated IRC channel for decades, and only operators (devs) and voiced people can talk. While we always tried to keep discussions dev-related there, no topic has ever been enforced on #reactos. The result is that I see a notable number of developers only on #reactos-dev these days.
This is a pretty bad situation! Emerging developers hardly have a way to interact with all existing devs on IRC. Often enough, legitimate questions from them remain unanswered on #reactos. Moreover, we don't maintain the list of voiced people thoroughly, so even some contributors have to ask for temporary voice on #reactos-dev.
Keep in mind that we're currently in the GSoC phase where students shall submit their proposals and get in touch with the developers. How are they going to do this on IRC if #reactos-dev continues to be an exclusive club?
Because of these reasons, I'm proposing to remove the moderation bit on #reactos-dev and let everybody talk there. Its development topic should be enforced though! As soon as people get too off-topic, they should be directed to #reactos and kicked if nothing else helps. Given that all devs are already operators on #reactos-dev, it's fully in their hands.
Cheers,
Colin
Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
I'm somewhat on the fence about this. The only real issue I could see is people coming on when the devs are gone for the night. For example, from about 7PM to 2AM (my time), there hardly any devs around. That leaves the question what we should do if someone is not following the new rules and needs to be kicked if no ops are around. Just my 2 cents. Other than that, go for it. [😊]
Jared
________________________________ From: Ros-dev ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org on behalf of David Quintana (gigaherz) gigaherz@gmail.com Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 5:34 AM To: ReactOS Development List Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Opening up #reactos-dev to the public
I approve the idea.
On 24 March 2017 at 11:21, Colin Finck <colin@reactos.orgmailto:colin@reactos.org> wrote: Hi all!
As you all know, our #reactos-dev IRC channel has been a moderated IRC channel for decades, and only operators (devs) and voiced people can talk. While we always tried to keep discussions dev-related there, no topic has ever been enforced on #reactos. The result is that I see a notable number of developers only on #reactos-dev these days.
This is a pretty bad situation! Emerging developers hardly have a way to interact with all existing devs on IRC. Often enough, legitimate questions from them remain unanswered on #reactos. Moreover, we don't maintain the list of voiced people thoroughly, so even some contributors have to ask for temporary voice on #reactos-dev.
Keep in mind that we're currently in the GSoC phase where students shall submit their proposals and get in touch with the developers. How are they going to do this on IRC if #reactos-dev continues to be an exclusive club?
Because of these reasons, I'm proposing to remove the moderation bit on #reactos-dev and let everybody talk there. Its development topic should be enforced though! As soon as people get too off-topic, they should be directed to #reactos and kicked if nothing else helps. Given that all devs are already operators on #reactos-dev, it's fully in their hands.
Cheers,
Colin
_______________________________________________ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.orgmailto:Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
I don’t approve the idea. The fact is that if the devs quit originally #reactos, it’s because it was generally too noisy, etc… . If we remove the moderation irc bit in #reactos-dev, you may expect the same phenomenon to occur in #reactos-dev too.
De : Ros-dev [mailto:ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org] De la part de David Quintana (gigaherz) Envoyé : vendredi 24 mars 2017 11:35 À : ReactOS Development List Objet : Re: [ros-dev] Opening up #reactos-dev to the public
I approve the idea.
On 24 March 2017 at 11:21, Colin Finck colin@reactos.org wrote:
Hi all!
As you all know, our #reactos-dev IRC channel has been a moderated IRC channel for decades, and only operators (devs) and voiced people can talk. While we always tried to keep discussions dev-related there, no topic has ever been enforced on #reactos. The result is that I see a notable number of developers only on #reactos-dev these days.
This is a pretty bad situation! Emerging developers hardly have a way to interact with all existing devs on IRC. Often enough, legitimate questions from them remain unanswered on #reactos. Moreover, we don't maintain the list of voiced people thoroughly, so even some contributors have to ask for temporary voice on #reactos-dev.
Keep in mind that we're currently in the GSoC phase where students shall submit their proposals and get in touch with the developers. How are they going to do this on IRC if #reactos-dev continues to be an exclusive club?
Because of these reasons, I'm proposing to remove the moderation bit on #reactos-dev and let everybody talk there. Its development topic should be enforced though! As soon as people get too off-topic, they should be directed to #reactos and kicked if nothing else helps. Given that all devs are already operators on #reactos-dev, it's fully in their hands.
Cheers,
Colin
_______________________________________________ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Then again, just saying here, is that there is such a thing as 'Premature optimization'. This is a change that is literally one command to roll back :). Just tell the dev's that its an experiment for a while and to submit feedback if they see anything wonky. Communication is a good thing.
2017-03-24 16:13 GMT+01:00 Hermès BÉLUSCA-MAÏTO hermes.belusca@sfr.fr:
I don’t approve the idea. The fact is that if the devs quit originally #reactos, it’s because it was generally too noisy, etc… . If we remove the moderation irc bit in #reactos-dev, you may expect the same phenomenon to occur in #reactos-dev too.
*De :* Ros-dev [mailto:ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org] *De la part de* David Quintana (gigaherz) *Envoyé :* vendredi 24 mars 2017 11:35 *À :* ReactOS Development List *Objet :* Re: [ros-dev] Opening up #reactos-dev to the public
I approve the idea.
On 24 March 2017 at 11:21, Colin Finck colin@reactos.org wrote:
Hi all!
As you all know, our #reactos-dev IRC channel has been a moderated IRC channel for decades, and only operators (devs) and voiced people can talk. While we always tried to keep discussions dev-related there, no topic has ever been enforced on #reactos. The result is that I see a notable number of developers only on #reactos-dev these days.
This is a pretty bad situation! Emerging developers hardly have a way to interact with all existing devs on IRC. Often enough, legitimate questions from them remain unanswered on #reactos. Moreover, we don't maintain the list of voiced people thoroughly, so even some contributors have to ask for temporary voice on #reactos-dev.
Keep in mind that we're currently in the GSoC phase where students shall submit their proposals and get in touch with the developers. How are they going to do this on IRC if #reactos-dev continues to be an exclusive club?
Because of these reasons, I'm proposing to remove the moderation bit on #reactos-dev and let everybody talk there. Its development topic should be enforced though! As soon as people get too off-topic, they should be directed to #reactos and kicked if nothing else helps. Given that all devs are already operators on #reactos-dev, it's fully in their hands.
Cheers,
Colin
Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
I disagree -- if we can be firm about the channel being only for development talk, things should remain mostly as they are now.
In any community, there's inevitably going to be idle talk, offtopic conversations, etc. If you only have ONE place to talk in, all those thigns are going to be mixed in with actual dev talk, but if you have clear rooms set for each thing, the majority of people will be happy to leave all the offtopic talk to the main channel, and dev talk to the dev channel.
It works for plenty other projects and communities so there's no reason to be pessimistic and think that "our idiots are worse". It's simply not true.
I vote for trying, and we can always put back the +m if things get out of hand.
On 24 March 2017 at 16:13, Hermès BÉLUSCA-MAÏTO hermes.belusca@sfr.fr wrote:
I don’t approve the idea. The fact is that if the devs quit originally #reactos, it’s because it was generally too noisy, etc… . If we remove the moderation irc bit in #reactos-dev, you may expect the same phenomenon to occur in #reactos-dev too.
*De :* Ros-dev [mailto:ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org] *De la part de* David Quintana (gigaherz) *Envoyé :* vendredi 24 mars 2017 11:35 *À :* ReactOS Development List *Objet :* Re: [ros-dev] Opening up #reactos-dev to the public
I approve the idea.
On 24 March 2017 at 11:21, Colin Finck colin@reactos.org wrote:
Hi all!
As you all know, our #reactos-dev IRC channel has been a moderated IRC channel for decades, and only operators (devs) and voiced people can talk. While we always tried to keep discussions dev-related there, no topic has ever been enforced on #reactos. The result is that I see a notable number of developers only on #reactos-dev these days.
This is a pretty bad situation! Emerging developers hardly have a way to interact with all existing devs on IRC. Often enough, legitimate questions from them remain unanswered on #reactos. Moreover, we don't maintain the list of voiced people thoroughly, so even some contributors have to ask for temporary voice on #reactos-dev.
Keep in mind that we're currently in the GSoC phase where students shall submit their proposals and get in touch with the developers. How are they going to do this on IRC if #reactos-dev continues to be an exclusive club?
Because of these reasons, I'm proposing to remove the moderation bit on #reactos-dev and let everybody talk there. Its development topic should be enforced though! As soon as people get too off-topic, they should be directed to #reactos and kicked if nothing else helps. Given that all devs are already operators on #reactos-dev, it's fully in their hands.
Cheers,
Colin
Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
We can always try it out? If it doesnt work, restoring it is a simple as setting a flag on the channel.
On 24 March 2017 at 16:31, David Quintana (gigaherz) gigaherz@gmail.com wrote:
I disagree -- if we can be firm about the channel being only for development talk, things should remain mostly as they are now.
In any community, there's inevitably going to be idle talk, offtopic conversations, etc. If you only have ONE place to talk in, all those thigns are going to be mixed in with actual dev talk, but if you have clear rooms set for each thing, the majority of people will be happy to leave all the offtopic talk to the main channel, and dev talk to the dev channel.
It works for plenty other projects and communities so there's no reason to be pessimistic and think that "our idiots are worse". It's simply not true.
I vote for trying, and we can always put back the +m if things get out of hand.
On 24 March 2017 at 16:13, Hermès BÉLUSCA-MAÏTO hermes.belusca@sfr.fr wrote:
I don’t approve the idea. The fact is that if the devs quit originally #reactos, it’s because it was generally too noisy, etc… . If we remove the moderation irc bit in #reactos-dev, you may expect the same phenomenon to occur in #reactos-dev too.
De : Ros-dev [mailto:ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org] De la part de David Quintana (gigaherz) Envoyé : vendredi 24 mars 2017 11:35 À : ReactOS Development List Objet : Re: [ros-dev] Opening up #reactos-dev to the public
I approve the idea.
On 24 March 2017 at 11:21, Colin Finck colin@reactos.org wrote:
Hi all!
As you all know, our #reactos-dev IRC channel has been a moderated IRC channel for decades, and only operators (devs) and voiced people can talk. While we always tried to keep discussions dev-related there, no topic has ever been enforced on #reactos. The result is that I see a notable number of developers only on #reactos-dev these days.
This is a pretty bad situation! Emerging developers hardly have a way to interact with all existing devs on IRC. Often enough, legitimate questions from them remain unanswered on #reactos. Moreover, we don't maintain the list of voiced people thoroughly, so even some contributors have to ask for temporary voice on #reactos-dev.
Keep in mind that we're currently in the GSoC phase where students shall submit their proposals and get in touch with the developers. How are they going to do this on IRC if #reactos-dev continues to be an exclusive club?
Because of these reasons, I'm proposing to remove the moderation bit on #reactos-dev and let everybody talk there. Its development topic should be enforced though! As soon as people get too off-topic, they should be directed to #reactos and kicked if nothing else helps. Given that all devs are already operators on #reactos-dev, it's fully in their hands.
Cheers,
Colin
Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Agreed.
If the restriction is removed, I would be much less inclined to join the channel.
I stopped joining #reactos for a reason…
Ged.
From: Ros-dev [mailto:ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org] On Behalf Of Hermès BÉLUSCA-MAÏTO Sent: 24 March 2017 15:13 To: 'ReactOS Development List' ros-dev@reactos.org Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Opening up #reactos-dev to the public
I don’t approve the idea. The fact is that if the devs quit originally #reactos, it’s because it was generally too noisy, etc… . If we remove the moderation irc bit in #reactos-dev, you may expect the same phenomenon to occur in #reactos-dev too.
De : Ros-dev [ mailto:ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org mailto:ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org] De la part de David Quintana (gigaherz) Envoyé : vendredi 24 mars 2017 11:35 À : ReactOS Development List Objet : Re: [ros-dev] Opening up #reactos-dev to the public
I approve the idea.
On 24 March 2017 at 11:21, Colin Finck < mailto:colin@reactos.org colin@reactos.org> wrote:
Hi all!
As you all know, our #reactos-dev IRC channel has been a moderated IRC channel for decades, and only operators (devs) and voiced people can talk. While we always tried to keep discussions dev-related there, no topic has ever been enforced on #reactos. The result is that I see a notable number of developers only on #reactos-dev these days.
This is a pretty bad situation! Emerging developers hardly have a way to interact with all existing devs on IRC. Often enough, legitimate questions from them remain unanswered on #reactos. Moreover, we don't maintain the list of voiced people thoroughly, so even some contributors have to ask for temporary voice on #reactos-dev.
Keep in mind that we're currently in the GSoC phase where students shall submit their proposals and get in touch with the developers. How are they going to do this on IRC if #reactos-dev continues to be an exclusive club?
Because of these reasons, I'm proposing to remove the moderation bit on #reactos-dev and let everybody talk there. Its development topic should be enforced though! As soon as people get too off-topic, they should be directed to #reactos and kicked if nothing else helps. Given that all devs are already operators on #reactos-dev, it's fully in their hands.
Cheers,
Colin
_______________________________________________ Ros-dev mailing list mailto:Ros-dev@reactos.org Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Same for me. The idea for #reactos and #reactos-dev to exist was the fact that one is for public audience, and the second one is for internal communication between developers.
If #reactos-dev is opened to the public, then why not delete it at all and move to #reactos?
I rather support Alex's proposal of creating something like #reactos-gsoc or just autovoicing students, it's not a big deal.
Regards, Aleksey Bragin
On 27.03.2017 11:31, Ged Murphy wrote:
Agreed.
If the restriction is removed, I would be much less inclined to join the channel.
I stopped joining #reactos for a reason…
Ged.
*From:*Ros-dev [mailto:ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org] *On Behalf Of *Hermès BÉLUSCA-MAÏTO *Sent:* 24 March 2017 15:13 *To:* 'ReactOS Development List' ros-dev@reactos.org *Subject:* Re: [ros-dev] Opening up #reactos-dev to the public
I don’t approve the idea. The fact is that if the devs quit originally #reactos, it’s because it was generally too noisy, etc… . If we remove the moderation irc bit in #reactos-dev, you may expect the same phenomenon to occur in #reactos-dev too.
*De :*Ros-dev [mailto:ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org] *De la part de* David Quintana (gigaherz) *Envoyé :* vendredi 24 mars 2017 11:35 *À :* ReactOS Development List *Objet :* Re: [ros-dev] Opening up #reactos-dev to the public
I approve the idea.
On 24 March 2017 at 11:21, Colin Finck <colin@reactos.org mailto:colin@reactos.org> wrote:
Hi all!
As you all know, our #reactos-dev IRC channel has been a moderated IRC channel for decades, and only operators (devs) and voiced people can talk. While we always tried to keep discussions dev-related there, no topic has ever been enforced on #reactos. The result is that I see a notable number of developers only on #reactos-dev these days.
This is a pretty bad situation! Emerging developers hardly have a way to interact with all existing devs on IRC. Often enough, legitimate questions from them remain unanswered on #reactos. Moreover, we don't maintain the list of voiced people thoroughly, so even some contributors have to ask for temporary voice on #reactos-dev.
Keep in mind that we're currently in the GSoC phase where students shall submit their proposals and get in touch with the developers. How are they going to do this on IRC if #reactos-dev continues to be an exclusive club?
Because of these reasons, I'm proposing to remove the moderation bit on #reactos-dev and let everybody talk there. Its development topic should be enforced though! As soon as people get too off-topic, they should be directed to #reactos and kicked if nothing else helps. Given that all devs are already operators on #reactos-dev, it's fully in their hands.
Cheers,
Colin
Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org mailto:Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Hi there, are any devs here with whom I can discuss the audio architecture of ReactOS in order to know its current state as compared to Windows?
-- *Pranay Pratyush,* 3rd year undergraduate , Computer Science and Engineering Department Indian Institute Of Technology, Kharagpur --
On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Aleksey Bragin aleksey@reactos.org wrote:
Same for me. The idea for #reactos and #reactos-dev to exist was the fact that one is for public audience, and the second one is for internal communication between developers.
If #reactos-dev is opened to the public, then why not delete it at all and move to #reactos?
I rather support Alex's proposal of creating something like #reactos-gsoc or just autovoicing students, it's not a big deal.
Regards, Aleksey Bragin
On 27.03.2017 11:31, Ged Murphy wrote:
Agreed.
If the restriction is removed, I would be much less inclined to join the channel.
I stopped joining #reactos for a reason…
Ged.
*From:* Ros-dev [mailto:ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org] *On Behalf Of *Hermès BÉLUSCA-MAÏTO *Sent:* 24 March 2017 15:13 *To:* 'ReactOS Development List' ros-dev@reactos.org ros-dev@reactos.org *Subject:* Re: [ros-dev] Opening up #reactos-dev to the public
I don’t approve the idea. The fact is that if the devs quit originally #reactos, it’s because it was generally too noisy, etc… . If we remove the moderation irc bit in #reactos-dev, you may expect the same phenomenon to occur in #reactos-dev too.
*De :* Ros-dev [mailto:ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org] *De la part de* David Quintana (gigaherz) *Envoyé :* vendredi 24 mars 2017 11:35 *À :* ReactOS Development List *Objet :* Re: [ros-dev] Opening up #reactos-dev to the public
I approve the idea.
On 24 March 2017 at 11:21, Colin Finck colin@reactos.org wrote:
Hi all!
As you all know, our #reactos-dev IRC channel has been a moderated IRC channel for decades, and only operators (devs) and voiced people can talk. While we always tried to keep discussions dev-related there, no topic has ever been enforced on #reactos. The result is that I see a notable number of developers only on #reactos-dev these days.
This is a pretty bad situation! Emerging developers hardly have a way to interact with all existing devs on IRC. Often enough, legitimate questions from them remain unanswered on #reactos. Moreover, we don't maintain the list of voiced people thoroughly, so even some contributors have to ask for temporary voice on #reactos-dev.
Keep in mind that we're currently in the GSoC phase where students shall submit their proposals and get in touch with the developers. How are they going to do this on IRC if #reactos-dev continues to be an exclusive club?
Because of these reasons, I'm proposing to remove the moderation bit on #reactos-dev and let everybody talk there. Its development topic should be enforced though! As soon as people get too off-topic, they should be directed to #reactos and kicked if nothing else helps. Given that all devs are already operators on #reactos-dev, it's fully in their hands.
Cheers,
Colin
Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Hi,
Our audio developer is Johannes Anderwald, but unfortunately he’s been away from the project for a little while now. Unless anyone other devs feel they can step into this role, it’s unlikely we’d be able to find a mentor for this particular project.
Is audio the only area that you’re interested in, or are there other areas which you feel you’d like to work on? With an entire operating system at your disposal, there’s plenty of other options to explore.
Ged.
From: Ros-dev [mailto:ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org] On Behalf Of Pranay Pratyush Sent: 28 March 2017 06:39 To: ReactOS Development List ros-dev@reactos.org Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Opening up #reactos-dev to the public
Hi there, are any devs here with whom I can discuss the audio architecture of ReactOS in order to know its current state as compared to Windows?
--
Pranay Pratyush,
3rd year undergraduate ,
Computer Science and Engineering Department
Indian Institute Of Technology, Kharagpur
--
On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Aleksey Bragin <aleksey@reactos.org mailto:aleksey@reactos.org > wrote:
Same for me. The idea for #reactos and #reactos-dev to exist was the fact that one is for public audience, and the second one is for internal communication between developers.
If #reactos-dev is opened to the public, then why not delete it at all and move to #reactos?
I rather support Alex's proposal of creating something like #reactos-gsoc or just autovoicing students, it's not a big deal.
Regards, Aleksey Bragin
On 27.03.2017 11:31, Ged Murphy wrote:
Agreed.
If the restriction is removed, I would be much less inclined to join the channel.
I stopped joining #reactos for a reason…
Ged.
From: Ros-dev [mailto:ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org] On Behalf Of Hermès BÉLUSCA-MAÏTO Sent: 24 March 2017 15:13 To: 'ReactOS Development List' mailto:ros-dev@reactos.org ros-dev@reactos.org Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Opening up #reactos-dev to the public
I don’t approve the idea. The fact is that if the devs quit originally #reactos, it’s because it was generally too noisy, etc… . If we remove the moderation irc bit in #reactos-dev, you may expect the same phenomenon to occur in #reactos-dev too.
De : Ros-dev [ mailto:ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org mailto:ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org] De la part de David Quintana (gigaherz) Envoyé : vendredi 24 mars 2017 11:35 À : ReactOS Development List Objet : Re: [ros-dev] Opening up #reactos-dev to the public
I approve the idea.
On 24 March 2017 at 11:21, Colin Finck < mailto:colin@reactos.org colin@reactos.org> wrote:
Hi all!
As you all know, our #reactos-dev IRC channel has been a moderated IRC channel for decades, and only operators (devs) and voiced people can talk. While we always tried to keep discussions dev-related there, no topic has ever been enforced on #reactos. The result is that I see a notable number of developers only on #reactos-dev these days.
This is a pretty bad situation! Emerging developers hardly have a way to interact with all existing devs on IRC. Often enough, legitimate questions from them remain unanswered on #reactos. Moreover, we don't maintain the list of voiced people thoroughly, so even some contributors have to ask for temporary voice on #reactos-dev.
Keep in mind that we're currently in the GSoC phase where students shall submit their proposals and get in touch with the developers. How are they going to do this on IRC if #reactos-dev continues to be an exclusive club?
Because of these reasons, I'm proposing to remove the moderation bit on #reactos-dev and let everybody talk there. Its development topic should be enforced though! As soon as people get too off-topic, they should be directed to #reactos and kicked if nothing else helps. Given that all devs are already operators on #reactos-dev, it's fully in their hands.
Cheers,
Colin
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@Ged. I already made up my mind on this project. Choosing another one now would take a considerable amount of time for me as I would have to go through enough code to be able to create a proposal. Please try and get me a mentor for this. BTW this idea is on official 2017 idea page for ReactOS and I also emailed here on the first day of proposal posting period. It would have been much easier for me if someone informed me of the situation then.
-- *Pranay Pratyush,* 3rd year undergraduate , Computer Science and Engineering Department Indian Institute Of Technology, Kharagpur --
On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 7:16 PM, Ged Murphy gedmurphy.maillists@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Our audio developer is Johannes Anderwald, but unfortunately he’s been away from the project for a little while now. Unless anyone other devs feel they can step into this role, it’s unlikely we’d be able to find a mentor for this particular project.
Is audio the only area that you’re interested in, or are there other areas which you feel you’d like to work on? With an entire operating system at your disposal, there’s plenty of other options to explore.
Ged.
*From:* Ros-dev [mailto:ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org] *On Behalf Of *Pranay Pratyush *Sent:* 28 March 2017 06:39
*To:* ReactOS Development List ros-dev@reactos.org *Subject:* Re: [ros-dev] Opening up #reactos-dev to the public
Hi there, are any devs here with whom I can discuss the audio architecture of ReactOS in order to know its current state as compared to Windows?
--
*Pranay Pratyush,*
3rd year undergraduate ,
Computer Science and Engineering Department
Indian Institute Of Technology, Kharagpur
--
On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Aleksey Bragin aleksey@reactos.org wrote:
Same for me. The idea for #reactos and #reactos-dev to exist was the fact that one is for public audience, and the second one is for internal communication between developers.
If #reactos-dev is opened to the public, then why not delete it at all and move to #reactos?
I rather support Alex's proposal of creating something like #reactos-gsoc or just autovoicing students, it's not a big deal.
Regards, Aleksey Bragin
On 27.03.2017 11:31, Ged Murphy wrote:
Agreed.
If the restriction is removed, I would be much less inclined to join the channel.
I stopped joining #reactos for a reason…
Ged.
*From:* Ros-dev [mailto:ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org] *On Behalf Of *Hermès BÉLUSCA-MAÏTO *Sent:* 24 March 2017 15:13 *To:* 'ReactOS Development List' ros-dev@reactos.org ros-dev@reactos.org *Subject:* Re: [ros-dev] Opening up #reactos-dev to the public
I don’t approve the idea. The fact is that if the devs quit originally #reactos, it’s because it was generally too noisy, etc… . If we remove the moderation irc bit in #reactos-dev, you may expect the same phenomenon to occur in #reactos-dev too.
*De :* Ros-dev [mailto:ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org] *De la part de* David Quintana (gigaherz) *Envoyé :* vendredi 24 mars 2017 11:35 *À :* ReactOS Development List *Objet :* Re: [ros-dev] Opening up #reactos-dev to the public
I approve the idea.
On 24 March 2017 at 11:21, Colin Finck colin@reactos.org wrote:
Hi all!
As you all know, our #reactos-dev IRC channel has been a moderated IRC channel for decades, and only operators (devs) and voiced people can talk. While we always tried to keep discussions dev-related there, no topic has ever been enforced on #reactos. The result is that I see a notable number of developers only on #reactos-dev these days.
This is a pretty bad situation! Emerging developers hardly have a way to interact with all existing devs on IRC. Often enough, legitimate questions from them remain unanswered on #reactos. Moreover, we don't maintain the list of voiced people thoroughly, so even some contributors have to ask for temporary voice on #reactos-dev.
Keep in mind that we're currently in the GSoC phase where students shall submit their proposals and get in touch with the developers. How are they going to do this on IRC if #reactos-dev continues to be an exclusive club?
Because of these reasons, I'm proposing to remove the moderation bit on #reactos-dev and let everybody talk there. Its development topic should be enforced though! As soon as people get too off-topic, they should be directed to #reactos and kicked if nothing else helps. Given that all devs are already operators on #reactos-dev, it's fully in their hands.
Cheers,
Colin
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Should start another thread for Audio.
On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 12:38 AM, Pranay Pratyush <pranay.pratyush@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi there, are any devs here with whom I can discuss the audio architecture of ReactOS in order to know its current state as compared to Windows?
-- *Pranay Pratyush,* 3rd year undergraduate , Computer Science and Engineering Department Indian Institute Of Technology, Kharagpur --
On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Aleksey Bragin aleksey@reactos.org wrote:
Same for me. The idea for #reactos and #reactos-dev to exist was the fact that one is for public audience, and the second one is for internal communication between developers.
If #reactos-dev is opened to the public, then why not delete it at all and move to #reactos?
I rather support Alex's proposal of creating something like #reactos-gsoc or just autovoicing students, it's not a big deal.
Regards, Aleksey Bragin
On 27.03.2017 11:31, Ged Murphy wrote:
Agreed.
If the restriction is removed, I would be much less inclined to join the channel.
I stopped joining #reactos for a reason…
Ged.
*From:* Ros-dev [mailto:ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org] *On Behalf Of *Hermès BÉLUSCA-MAÏTO *Sent:* 24 March 2017 15:13 *To:* 'ReactOS Development List' ros-dev@reactos.org ros-dev@reactos.org *Subject:* Re: [ros-dev] Opening up #reactos-dev to the public
I don’t approve the idea. The fact is that if the devs quit originally #reactos, it’s because it was generally too noisy, etc… . If we remove the moderation irc bit in #reactos-dev, you may expect the same phenomenon to occur in #reactos-dev too.
*De :* Ros-dev [mailto:ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org] *De la part de* David Quintana (gigaherz) *Envoyé :* vendredi 24 mars 2017 11:35 *À :* ReactOS Development List *Objet :* Re: [ros-dev] Opening up #reactos-dev to the public
I approve the idea.
On 24 March 2017 at 11:21, Colin Finck colin@reactos.org wrote:
Hi all!
As you all know, our #reactos-dev IRC channel has been a moderated IRC channel for decades, and only operators (devs) and voiced people can talk. While we always tried to keep discussions dev-related there, no topic has ever been enforced on #reactos. The result is that I see a notable number of developers only on #reactos-dev these days.
This is a pretty bad situation! Emerging developers hardly have a way to interact with all existing devs on IRC. Often enough, legitimate questions from them remain unanswered on #reactos. Moreover, we don't maintain the list of voiced people thoroughly, so even some contributors have to ask for temporary voice on #reactos-dev.
Keep in mind that we're currently in the GSoC phase where students shall submit their proposals and get in touch with the developers. How are they going to do this on IRC if #reactos-dev continues to be an exclusive club?
Because of these reasons, I'm proposing to remove the moderation bit on #reactos-dev and let everybody talk there. Its development topic should be enforced though! As soon as people get too off-topic, they should be directed to #reactos and kicked if nothing else helps. Given that all devs are already operators on #reactos-dev, it's fully in their hands.
Cheers,
Colin
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Hello everybody,
I'm new to ReactOS for just a few days. I did not contribute to ReactOS yet. So, I don't feel qualified to discuss Colin's proposal, but maybe it'll help you giving you statements from another perspective.
Since there already exist so many answers, I just decided to answer Colin's proposal directly.
I think that your problem is not a technical one. What you need are people feeling responsible to newcomers.
A week ago, when I joined #reactos, I asked for some legal advice. Luckily, learn_more copied my question to #reactos-dev since I wouldn't have joined that chan on my own, because I'm not a developer yet. Unfortunately, my question has not been answered yet a couple of hours later, so I followed learn_more's hint to reask my question on the ReactOS devs mailing list. There, I got different answers leading me to the thought that nobody is quite sure about it. Afterwards, I supposed that someone could adapt the Wiki due to the clarification, but nobody cared, not even now.
There is also another newcomer, Pranay Pratyush, who asked for some newbie help, too, but nobody answered yet (at least not publicly). This also reinforced my impression that nobody feels responsible to new people. I bet, if you would welcome them, you could have more developers in a few weeks.
Instead of Colin's proposal, I suggest that you create a new IRC channel #reactos-dev-newbies (or something like that) and put in some of you who will greet newcomers and so on. This chan might be open for everyone. Once established, this should fulfill its purpose round the clock. Thus, it'll force you to have some of you being responsible to newcomers.
I hope that I could help.
Tobias
Am 24.03.2017 11:21 schrieb Colin Finck:
Hi all!
As you all know, our #reactos-dev IRC channel has been a moderated IRC channel for decades, and only operators (devs) and voiced people can talk. While we always tried to keep discussions dev-related there, no topic has ever been enforced on #reactos. The result is that I see a notable number of developers only on #reactos-dev these days.
This is a pretty bad situation! Emerging developers hardly have a way to interact with all existing devs on IRC. Often enough, legitimate questions from them remain unanswered on #reactos. Moreover, we don't maintain the list of voiced people thoroughly, so even some contributors have to ask for temporary voice on #reactos-dev.
Keep in mind that we're currently in the GSoC phase where students shall submit their proposals and get in touch with the developers. How are they going to do this on IRC if #reactos-dev continues to be an exclusive club?
Because of these reasons, I'm proposing to remove the moderation bit on #reactos-dev and let everybody talk there. Its development topic should be enforced though! As soon as people get too off-topic, they should be directed to #reactos and kicked if nothing else helps. Given that all devs are already operators on #reactos-dev, it's fully in their hands.
Cheers,
Colin
Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Hi,
yes there might be some problems with getting in touch to the right ppl on IRC and even worse on the forums. It's a problem we can hardly change because everyone lives somewhere else and has other circumstances in his life. So a 24:7 presence might become difficult. For such I recommend a mailing list for exactly that one case. Add it to website and we are set. SO... in theory your idea, but as mailing list ^^
P.S. Main reason why devs are not in the forums or #reactos are exactly what we saw here in mailing list as 100% perfect example. Drama, Kindergarten and ppl who have NO CLUE (who the F***K told you we can hire devs at ease??! I'd like to talk to that guy...) what they are talking about. Our devs are here to develop and not to play babysitter or being accused for having a real life and real work and real problems and thus are being accused to be lazy dipshits who don't even care about the project, any report by one special person or being reckless or WHATEVER you said we are. For handling all that we would need someone else.... with adamantium nerves! As you all know me, I would happily do that (maaaany toys for meee ^^), but that would end in a massacre for sure. With some b33r afterwards, but still a massacre.
I can only recommend one thing to that special persion I talk to right now. Yes, I appreciate your support, yes we all do, but stop dreaming and come back to reality (we have cookies). We talk about a freaking OPERATING SYSTEM based on a CLOSED ARCHITECTURE. This is no LibreOffice with way less closed stuff to understand and reimplement.
Greetings Daniel
Am 25.03.2017 um 23:07 schrieb tobias.k@posteo.de:
Hello everybody,
I'm new to ReactOS for just a few days. I did not contribute to ReactOS yet. So, I don't feel qualified to discuss Colin's proposal, but maybe it'll help you giving you statements from another perspective.
Since there already exist so many answers, I just decided to answer Colin's proposal directly.
I think that your problem is not a technical one. What you need are people feeling responsible to newcomers.
A week ago, when I joined #reactos, I asked for some legal advice. Luckily, learn_more copied my question to #reactos-dev since I wouldn't have joined that chan on my own, because I'm not a developer yet. Unfortunately, my question has not been answered yet a couple of hours later, so I followed learn_more's hint to reask my question on the ReactOS devs mailing list. There, I got different answers leading me to the thought that nobody is quite sure about it. Afterwards, I supposed that someone could adapt the Wiki due to the clarification, but nobody cared, not even now.
There is also another newcomer, Pranay Pratyush, who asked for some newbie help, too, but nobody answered yet (at least not publicly). This also reinforced my impression that nobody feels responsible to new people. I bet, if you would welcome them, you could have more developers in a few weeks.
Instead of Colin's proposal, I suggest that you create a new IRC channel #reactos-dev-newbies (or something like that) and put in some of you who will greet newcomers and so on. This chan might be open for everyone. Once established, this should fulfill its purpose round the clock. Thus, it'll force you to have some of you being responsible to newcomers.
I hope that I could help.
Tobias
Am 24.03.2017 11:21 schrieb Colin Finck:
Hi all!
As you all know, our #reactos-dev IRC channel has been a moderated IRC channel for decades, and only operators (devs) and voiced people can talk. While we always tried to keep discussions dev-related there, no topic has ever been enforced on #reactos. The result is that I see a notable number of developers only on #reactos-dev these days.
This is a pretty bad situation! Emerging developers hardly have a way to interact with all existing devs on IRC. Often enough, legitimate questions from them remain unanswered on #reactos. Moreover, we don't maintain the list of voiced people thoroughly, so even some contributors have to ask for temporary voice on #reactos-dev.
Keep in mind that we're currently in the GSoC phase where students shall submit their proposals and get in touch with the developers. How are they going to do this on IRC if #reactos-dev continues to be an exclusive club?
Because of these reasons, I'm proposing to remove the moderation bit on #reactos-dev and let everybody talk there. Its development topic should be enforced though! As soon as people get too off-topic, they should be directed to #reactos and kicked if nothing else helps. Given that all devs are already operators on #reactos-dev, it's fully in their hands.
Cheers,
Colin
Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
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EVERY FOSS developer should RULE the world.
I cannot help too much in developing, but i try to help as much as i can in other ways. I`m not just a troll using what "others" have done using their free time, and love.
And, as Daniel say, this is based in the most commonly used OS, which is closed source, and from a giant (Microsoft). IMHO thats the main reason why the ReactOS team do not have organizations support and donations (please correct me if i am wrong).
ReactOS devs have my very respect, and should have YOURS!
On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 12:55 AM, Daniel Reimer daniel.reimer@reactos.org wrote:
Hi,
yes there might be some problems with getting in touch to the right ppl on IRC and even worse on the forums. It's a problem we can hardly change because everyone lives somewhere else and has other circumstances in his life. So a 24:7 presence might become difficult. For such I recommend a mailing list for exactly that one case. Add it to website and we are set. SO... in theory your idea, but as mailing list ^^
P.S. Main reason why devs are not in the forums or #reactos are exactly what we saw here in mailing list as 100% perfect example. Drama, Kindergarten and ppl who have NO CLUE (who the F***K told you we can hire devs at ease??! I'd like to talk to that guy...) what they are talking about. Our devs are here to develop and not to play babysitter or being accused for having a real life and real work and real problems and thus are being accused to be lazy dipshits who don't even care about the project, any report by one special person or being reckless or WHATEVER you said we are. For handling all that we would need someone else.... with adamantium nerves! As you all know me, I would happily do that (maaaany toys for meee ^^), but that would end in a massacre for sure. With some b33r afterwards, but still a massacre.
I can only recommend one thing to that special persion I talk to right now. Yes, I appreciate your support, yes we all do, but stop dreaming and come back to reality (we have cookies). We talk about a freaking OPERATING SYSTEM based on a CLOSED ARCHITECTURE. This is no LibreOffice with way less closed stuff to understand and reimplement.
Greetings Daniel
Am 25.03.2017 um 23:07 schrieb tobias.k@posteo.de:
Hello everybody,
I'm new to ReactOS for just a few days. I did not contribute to ReactOS yet. So, I don't feel qualified to discuss Colin's proposal, but maybe it'll help you giving you statements from another perspective.
Since there already exist so many answers, I just decided to answer Colin's proposal directly.
I think that your problem is not a technical one. What you need are people feeling responsible to newcomers.
A week ago, when I joined #reactos, I asked for some legal advice. Luckily, learn_more copied my question to #reactos-dev since I wouldn't have joined that chan on my own, because I'm not a developer yet. Unfortunately, my question has not been answered yet a couple of hours later, so I followed learn_more's hint to reask my question on the ReactOS devs mailing list. There, I got different answers leading me to the thought that nobody is quite sure about it. Afterwards, I supposed that someone could adapt the Wiki due to the clarification, but nobody cared, not even now.
There is also another newcomer, Pranay Pratyush, who asked for some newbie help, too, but nobody answered yet (at least not publicly). This also reinforced my impression that nobody feels responsible to new people. I bet, if you would welcome them, you could have more developers in a few weeks.
Instead of Colin's proposal, I suggest that you create a new IRC channel #reactos-dev-newbies (or something like that) and put in some of you who will greet newcomers and so on. This chan might be open for everyone. Once established, this should fulfill its purpose round the clock. Thus, it'll force you to have some of you being responsible to newcomers.
I hope that I could help.
Tobias
Am 24.03.2017 11:21 schrieb Colin Finck:
Hi all!
As you all know, our #reactos-dev IRC channel has been a moderated IRC channel for decades, and only operators (devs) and voiced people can talk. While we always tried to keep discussions dev-related there, no topic has ever been enforced on #reactos. The result is that I see a notable number of developers only on #reactos-dev these days.
This is a pretty bad situation! Emerging developers hardly have a way to interact with all existing devs on IRC. Often enough, legitimate questions from them remain unanswered on #reactos. Moreover, we don't maintain the list of voiced people thoroughly, so even some contributors have to ask for temporary voice on #reactos-dev.
Keep in mind that we're currently in the GSoC phase where students shall submit their proposals and get in touch with the developers. How are they going to do this on IRC if #reactos-dev continues to be an exclusive club?
Because of these reasons, I'm proposing to remove the moderation bit on #reactos-dev and let everybody talk there. Its development topic should be enforced though! As soon as people get too off-topic, they should be directed to #reactos and kicked if nothing else helps. Given that all devs are already operators on #reactos-dev, it's fully in their hands.
Cheers,
Colin
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For clarification, I didn't want to say that it has to be a developer who could be responsible to newbies. Also, I didn't say that hiring developers would be easy. So, I'm sorry if this was ambiguous!
And I can really imagine that coding a closed-source OS is difficult, especially when done in the spare free time, so I have to bow. You all did and do a great job!
Am 26.03.2017 um 14:06 schrieb Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo:
EVERY FOSS developer should RULE the world.
I cannot help too much in developing, but i try to help as much as i can in other ways. I`m not just a troll using what "others" have done using their free time, and love.
And, as Daniel say, this is based in the most commonly used OS, which is closed source, and from a giant (Microsoft). IMHO thats the main reason why the ReactOS team do not have organizations support and donations (please correct me if i am wrong).
ReactOS devs have my very respect, and should have YOURS!
On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 12:55 AM, Daniel Reimer <daniel.reimer@reactos.org mailto:daniel.reimer@reactos.org> wrote:
Hi, yes there might be some problems with getting in touch to the right ppl on IRC and even worse on the forums. It's a problem we can hardly change because everyone lives somewhere else and has other circumstances in his life. So a 24:7 presence might become difficult. For such I recommend a mailing list for exactly that one case. Add it to website and we are set. SO... in theory your idea, but as mailing list ^^ P.S. Main reason why devs are not in the forums or #reactos are exactly what we saw here in mailing list as 100% perfect example. Drama, Kindergarten and ppl who have NO CLUE (who the F***K told you we can hire devs at ease??! I'd like to talk to that guy...) what they are talking about. Our devs are here to develop and not to play babysitter or being accused for having a real life and real work and real problems and thus are being accused to be lazy dipshits who don't even care about the project, any report by one special person or being reckless or WHATEVER you said we are. For handling all that we would need someone else.... with adamantium nerves! As you all know me, I would happily do that (maaaany toys for meee ^^), but that would end in a massacre for sure. With some b33r afterwards, but still a massacre. I can only recommend one thing to that special persion I talk to right now. Yes, I appreciate your support, yes we all do, but stop dreaming and come back to reality (we have cookies). We talk about a freaking OPERATING SYSTEM based on a CLOSED ARCHITECTURE. This is no LibreOffice with way less closed stuff to understand and reimplement. https://snag.gy/YZLkQh.jpg Greetings Daniel Am 25.03.2017 um 23:07 schrieb tobias.k@posteo.de <mailto:tobias.k@posteo.de>: Hello everybody, I'm new to ReactOS for just a few days. I did not contribute to ReactOS yet. So, I don't feel qualified to discuss Colin's proposal, but maybe it'll help you giving you statements from another perspective. Since there already exist so many answers, I just decided to answer Colin's proposal directly. I think that your problem is not a technical one. What you need are people feeling responsible to newcomers. A week ago, when I joined #reactos, I asked for some legal advice. Luckily, learn_more copied my question to #reactos-dev since I wouldn't have joined that chan on my own, because I'm not a developer yet. Unfortunately, my question has not been answered yet a couple of hours later, so I followed learn_more's hint to reask my question on the ReactOS devs mailing list. There, I got different answers leading me to the thought that nobody is quite sure about it. Afterwards, I supposed that someone could adapt the Wiki due to the clarification, but nobody cared, not even now. There is also another newcomer, Pranay Pratyush, who asked for some newbie help, too, but nobody answered yet (at least not publicly). This also reinforced my impression that nobody feels responsible to new people. I bet, if you would welcome them, you could have more developers in a few weeks. Instead of Colin's proposal, I suggest that you create a new IRC channel #reactos-dev-newbies (or something like that) and put in some of you who will greet newcomers and so on. This chan might be open for everyone. Once established, this should fulfill its purpose round the clock. Thus, it'll force you to have some of you being responsible to newcomers. I hope that I could help. Tobias Am 24.03.2017 11:21 schrieb Colin Finck: Hi all! As you all know, our #reactos-dev IRC channel has been a moderated IRC channel for decades, and only operators (devs) and voiced people can talk. While we always tried to keep discussions dev-related there, no topic has ever been enforced on #reactos. The result is that I see a notable number of developers only on #reactos-dev these days. This is a pretty bad situation! Emerging developers hardly have a way to interact with all existing devs on IRC. Often enough, legitimate questions from them remain unanswered on #reactos. Moreover, we don't maintain the list of voiced people thoroughly, so even some contributors have to ask for temporary voice on #reactos-dev. Keep in mind that we're currently in the GSoC phase where students shall submit their proposals and get in touch with the developers. How are they going to do this on IRC if #reactos-dev continues to be an exclusive club? Because of these reasons, I'm proposing to remove the moderation bit on #reactos-dev and let everybody talk there. Its development topic should be enforced though! As soon as people get too off-topic, they should be directed to #reactos and kicked if nothing else helps. Given that all devs are already operators on #reactos-dev, it's fully in their hands. 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Just to be 100% sure, I did not mean you tk ^^
Greetings
Am 26.03.2017 um 14:57 schrieb tk:
For clarification, I didn't want to say that it has to be a developer who could be responsible to newbies. Also, I didn't say that hiring developers would be easy. So, I'm sorry if this was ambiguous!
And I can really imagine that coding a closed-source OS is difficult, especially when done in the spare free time, so I have to bow. You all did and do a great job!
Am 26.03.2017 um 14:06 schrieb Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo:
EVERY FOSS developer should RULE the world.
I cannot help too much in developing, but i try to help as much as i can in other ways. I`m not just a troll using what "others" have done using their free time, and love.
And, as Daniel say, this is based in the most commonly used OS, which is closed source, and from a giant (Microsoft). IMHO thats the main reason why the ReactOS team do not have organizations support and donations (please correct me if i am wrong).
ReactOS devs have my very respect, and should have YOURS!
On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 12:55 AM, Daniel Reimer <daniel.reimer@reactos.org mailto:daniel.reimer@reactos.org> wrote:
Hi, yes there might be some problems with getting in touch to the right ppl on IRC and even worse on the forums. It's a problem we can hardly change because everyone lives somewhere else and has other circumstances in his life. So a 24:7 presence might become difficult. For such I recommend a mailing list for exactly that one case. Add it to website and we are set. SO... in theory your idea, but as mailing list ^^ P.S. Main reason why devs are not in the forums or #reactos are exactly what we saw here in mailing list as 100% perfect example. Drama, Kindergarten and ppl who have NO CLUE (who the F***K told you we can hire devs at ease??! I'd like to talk to that guy...) what they are talking about. Our devs are here to develop and not to play babysitter or being accused for having a real life and real work and real problems and thus are being accused to be lazy dipshits who don't even care about the project, any report by one special person or being reckless or WHATEVER you said we are. For handling all that we would need someone else.... with adamantium nerves! As you all know me, I would happily do that (maaaany toys for meee ^^), but that would end in a massacre for sure. With some b33r afterwards, but still a massacre. I can only recommend one thing to that special persion I talk to right now. Yes, I appreciate your support, yes we all do, but stop dreaming and come back to reality (we have cookies). We talk about a freaking OPERATING SYSTEM based on a CLOSED ARCHITECTURE. This is no LibreOffice with way less closed stuff to understand and reimplement. https://snag.gy/YZLkQh.jpg Greetings Daniel Am 25.03.2017 um 23:07 schrieb tobias.k@posteo.de <mailto:tobias.k@posteo.de>: Hello everybody, I'm new to ReactOS for just a few days. I did not contribute to ReactOS yet. So, I don't feel qualified to discuss Colin's proposal, but maybe it'll help you giving you statements from another perspective. Since there already exist so many answers, I just decided to answer Colin's proposal directly. I think that your problem is not a technical one. What you need are people feeling responsible to newcomers. A week ago, when I joined #reactos, I asked for some legal advice. Luckily, learn_more copied my question to #reactos-dev since I wouldn't have joined that chan on my own, because I'm not a developer yet. Unfortunately, my question has not been answered yet a couple of hours later, so I followed learn_more's hint to reask my question on the ReactOS devs mailing list. There, I got different answers leading me to the thought that nobody is quite sure about it. Afterwards, I supposed that someone could adapt the Wiki due to the clarification, but nobody cared, not even now. There is also another newcomer, Pranay Pratyush, who asked for some newbie help, too, but nobody answered yet (at least not publicly). This also reinforced my impression that nobody feels responsible to new people. I bet, if you would welcome them, you could have more developers in a few weeks. Instead of Colin's proposal, I suggest that you create a new IRC channel #reactos-dev-newbies (or something like that) and put in some of you who will greet newcomers and so on. This chan might be open for everyone. Once established, this should fulfill its purpose round the clock. Thus, it'll force you to have some of you being responsible to newcomers. I hope that I could help. Tobias Am 24.03.2017 11:21 schrieb Colin Finck: Hi all! As you all know, our #reactos-dev IRC channel has been a moderated IRC channel for decades, and only operators (devs) and voiced people can talk. While we always tried to keep discussions dev-related there, no topic has ever been enforced on #reactos. The result is that I see a notable number of developers only on #reactos-dev these days. This is a pretty bad situation! Emerging developers hardly have a way to interact with all existing devs on IRC. Often enough, legitimate questions from them remain unanswered on #reactos. Moreover, we don't maintain the list of voiced people thoroughly, so even some contributors have to ask for temporary voice on #reactos-dev. Keep in mind that we're currently in the GSoC phase where students shall submit their proposals and get in touch with the developers. How are they going to do this on IRC if #reactos-dev continues to be an exclusive club? Because of these reasons, I'm proposing to remove the moderation bit on #reactos-dev and let everybody talk there. Its development topic should be enforced though! As soon as people get too off-topic, they should be directed to #reactos and kicked if nothing else helps. Given that all devs are already operators on #reactos-dev, it's fully in their hands. 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Ah, okay! Now I see! :) Since I am the only writer between Colin and you in this special thread, I felt guilty about it.
Re-Greetings
Am 26.03.2017 um 20:01 schrieb Daniel Reimer:
Just to be 100% sure, I did not mean you tk ^^
Greetings
Am 26.03.2017 um 14:57 schrieb tk:
For clarification, I didn't want to say that it has to be a developer who could be responsible to newbies. Also, I didn't say that hiring developers would be easy. So, I'm sorry if this was ambiguous!
And I can really imagine that coding a closed-source OS is difficult, especially when done in the spare free time, so I have to bow. You all did and do a great job!
Am 26.03.2017 um 14:06 schrieb Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo:
EVERY FOSS developer should RULE the world.
I cannot help too much in developing, but i try to help as much as i can in other ways. I`m not just a troll using what "others" have done using their free time, and love.
And, as Daniel say, this is based in the most commonly used OS, which is closed source, and from a giant (Microsoft). IMHO thats the main reason why the ReactOS team do not have organizations support and donations (please correct me if i am wrong).
ReactOS devs have my very respect, and should have YOURS!
On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 12:55 AM, Daniel Reimer <daniel.reimer@reactos.org mailto:daniel.reimer@reactos.org> wrote:
Hi, yes there might be some problems with getting in touch to the right ppl on IRC and even worse on the forums. It's a problem we can hardly change because everyone lives somewhere else and has other circumstances in his life. So a 24:7 presence might become difficult. For such I recommend a mailing list for exactly that one case. Add it to website and we are set. SO... in theory your idea, but as mailing list ^^ P.S. Main reason why devs are not in the forums or #reactos are exactly what we saw here in mailing list as 100% perfect example. Drama, Kindergarten and ppl who have NO CLUE (who the F***K toldyou we can hire devs at ease??! I'd like to talk to that guy...) what they are talking about. Our devs are here to develop and not to play babysitter or being accused for having a real life and real work and real problems and thus are being accused to be lazy dipshits who don't even care about the project, any report by one special person or being reckless or WHATEVER you said we are. For handling all that we would need someone else.... with adamantium nerves! As you all know me, I would happily do that (maaaany toys for meee ^^), but that would end in a massacre for sure. With some b33r afterwards, but still a massacre.
I can only recommend one thing to that special persion I talk to right now. Yes, I appreciate your support, yes we all do, but stop dreaming and come back to reality (we have cookies). We talkabout a freaking OPERATING SYSTEM based on a CLOSED ARCHITECTURE. This is no LibreOffice with way less closed stuff to understand and reimplement.
https://snag.gy/YZLkQh.jpg Greetings Daniel Am 25.03.2017 um 23:07 schrieb tobias.k@posteo.de <mailto:tobias.k@posteo.de>: Hello everybody, I'm new to ReactOS for just a few days. I did not contribute to ReactOS yet. So, I don't feel qualified to discuss Colin's proposal, but maybe it'll help you giving you statements from another perspective. Since there already exist so many answers, I just decided to answer Colin's proposal directly. I think that your problem is not a technical one. What you need are people feeling responsible to newcomers. A week ago, when I joined #reactos, I asked for some legal advice. Luckily, learn_more copied my question to #reactos-dev since I wouldn't have joined that chan on my own, because I'm not a developer yet. Unfortunately, my question has not been answered yet a couple of hours later, so I followedlearn_more's hint to reask my question on the ReactOS devs mailing list. There, I got different answers leading me to the thought that nobody is quite sure about it. Afterwards, I supposed that someone could adapt the Wiki due to the clarification, but nobody cared, not even now.
There is also another newcomer, Pranay Pratyush, who asked for some newbie help, too, but nobody answered yet (at least not publicly). This also reinforced my impression that nobody feels responsible to new people. I bet, if you would welcome them,you could have more developers in a few weeks.
Instead of Colin's proposal, I suggest that you create a newIRC channel #reactos-dev-newbies (or something like that) and put in some of you who will greet newcomers and so on. This chan might be open for everyone. Once established, this should fulfill its purpose round the clock. Thus, it'll force you to have some of you being responsible to newcomers.
I hope that I could help. Tobias Am 24.03.2017 11:21 schrieb Colin Finck: Hi all! As you all know, our #reactos-dev IRC channel has been a moderated IRC channel for decades, and only operators (devs) and voiced people can talk. While we always tried to keep discussions dev-related there, no topic has ever been enforced on #reactos. The result isthat I see a notable number of developers only on #reactos-dev these days.
This is a pretty bad situation! Emerging developers hardly have a way to interact with all existing devs on IRC. Often enough,legitimate questions from them remain unanswered on #reactos. Moreover, we don't maintain the list of voiced people thoroughly, so even some contributors have to ask for temporary voice on #reactos-dev.
Keep in mind that we're currently in the GSoC phase where students shall submit their proposals and get in touch with thedevelopers. How are they going to do this on IRC if #reactos-dev continues to be an exclusive club?
Because of these reasons, I'm proposing to remove the moderation bit on #reactos-dev and let everybody talk there. Its development topic should be enforced though! As soon as people get too off-topic, they should be directed to #reactos and kicked if nothing else helps. Given that all devs are already operators on #reactos-dev, it's fully in their hands. Cheers, Colin _______________________________________________ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org <mailto:Ros-dev@reactos.org> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev <http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev> _______________________________________________ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org <mailto:Ros-dev@reactos.org> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev <http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev> _______________________________________________ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org <mailto:Ros-dev@reactos.org> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev <http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev>
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