Monthly status meeting reminder

[Aleksey Bragin]

Hello,
Let me invite you to the monthly status meeting taking place last thursday 
of this month, 28th of July, 19:00 UTC.

The meeting will be at irc://fezile.reactos.org (Port 6667, no SSL) in the 
channel #meeting. Note that the IRC service will only be started shortly 
before the meeting. Everyone is invited to listen, and active community 
members have their passwords so that they can participate in the discussion. 
If someone doesn't have a password - please don't hesitate to email Colin to 
get one. Colin - would you publish the most up-to-date list of participants?

Proposed agenda for the meeting:
1. Arwinss adoption voting.
2. CMake status report?. (Do we need to decide anything? If not, then let's 
move discussion to the mailing list)
3. Release preparation status report. (Decide when to do winesyncs and 
branch off the release)

More suggestions are welcome.

With the best regards,
Aleksey Bragin.

[Ged Murphy]

4. GSoC status updates
5. Driver signing 

-----Original Message-----
From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.org [mailto:[e-mail]] On
Behalf Of Aleksey Bragin
Sent: 26 July 2011 11:07
To: ReactOS Development List
Subject: [ros-dev] Monthly status meeting reminder

Hello,
Let me invite you to the monthly status meeting taking place last thursday
of this month, 28th of July, 19:00 UTC.

The meeting will be at irc://fezile.reactos.org (Port 6667, no SSL) in the
channel #meeting. Note that the IRC service will only be started shortly
before the meeting. Everyone is invited to listen, and active community
members have their passwords so that they can participate in the discussion.

If someone doesn't have a password - please don't hesitate to email Colin to
get one. Colin - would you publish the most up-to-date list of participants?

Proposed agenda for the meeting:
1. Arwinss adoption voting.
2. CMake status report?. (Do we need to decide anything? If not, then let's
move discussion to the mailing list) 3. Release preparation status report.
(Decide when to do winesyncs and branch off the release)

More suggestions are welcome.

With the best regards,
Aleksey Bragin. 


_______________________________________________
Ros-dev mailing list
Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

[Colin Finck]

Ged Murphy wrote:
>   4. GSoC status updates
>  5. Driver signing 
6. Getting to know what everybody is doing again?


- Colin

[Timo Kreuzer]

Am 26.07.2011 12:06, schrieb Aleksey Bragin:
>   2. CMake status report?. (Do we need to decide
> anything? If not, then 
>  let's move discussion to the mailing list) 
Yes, in fact I would like to vote on whether we make the switch now.
Usermode bt addresses are back to working state. If there is anything 
else anyone considers a blocker, please tell us now.

Once again I urge everyone who has not yet used cmake to do so before 
the meeting.
Otherwise you cannot make any informed choice whether to switch now or 
if there is anything you want to be fixed.

Regards,
Timo

[Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo]

"or if there is anything you want to be fixed."
i still think a "cmake-oriented RosBE" is needed

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Timo Kreuzer <timo.kreuzer(a)web.de> wrote:

>   Am 26.07.2011 12:06, schrieb Aleksey Bragin:
>
>   2. CMake status report?. (Do we need to decide anything? If not, then
> >   let's move discussion to the mailing list)
> >  
>  Yes, in fact I would like to vote on whether we make the switch now.
>  Usermode bt addresses are back to working state. If there is anything else
>  anyone considers a blocker, please tell us now.
>
>  Once again I urge everyone who has not yet used cmake to do so before the
>  meeting.
>  Otherwise you cannot make any informed choice whether to switch now or if
>  there is anything you want to be fixed.
>
>  Regards,
>  Timo
>
>
>
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>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>
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>

[Timo Kreuzer]

Am 26.07.2011 18:13, schrieb Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo:
>   " or if there is anything you want to be
> fixed."
>  i still think a "cmake-oriented RosBE" is needed 
And why do you think that?

[Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo]

because for a normal user, who doesnt visit IRC frequently, does not
navigate into the web (wiki pages specially), or isnt in this ML, is hard
right now to do it.
And i would say that even visiting the wiki its still hard to compile ROS
with cmake

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Timo Kreuzer <timo.kreuzer(a)web.de> wrote:

>    Am 26.07.2011 18:13, schrieb Javier Agustìn Fernàndez
> Arroyo:
>
>  " or if there is anything you want to be fixed."
>  i still think a "cmake-oriented RosBE" is needed
>
>
>  And why do you think that?
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>

[Igor Paliychuk]

Ask me i will explain it for you ;)

2011/7/26 Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo <elhoir(a)gmail.com>

>   because for a normal user, who doesnt visit IRC
> frequently, does not
>  navigate into the web (wiki pages specially), or isnt in this ML, is hard
>  right now to do it.
>  And i would say that even visiting the wiki its still hard to compile ROS
>  with cmake
>
>  On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Timo Kreuzer <timo.kreuzer(a)web.de> wrote:
>
> >    Am 26.07.2011 18:13, schrieb Javier Agustìn
> > Fernàndez Arroyo:
> >
> >  " or if there is anything you want to be fixed."
> >  i still think a "cmake-oriented RosBE" is needed
> >
> >
> >  And why do you think that?
> >
> >
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  Ros-dev mailing list
> >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> >  
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>

[Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo]

thank you so much, im finally able to do it, people helped me not too long
ago....

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Igor Paliychuk <mansonigor(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

>   Ask me i will explain it for you ;)
>
>
>  2011/7/26 Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo <elhoir(a)gmail.com>
>
> >   because for a normal user, who doesnt visit IRC
> > frequently, does not
> >  navigate into the web (wiki pages specially), or isnt in this ML, is hard
> >  right now to do it.
> >  And i would say that even visiting the wiki its still hard to compile ROS
> >  with cmake
> >
> >  On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Timo Kreuzer <timo.kreuzer(a)web.de>wrote;wrote:
> >
> > >    Am 26.07.2011 18:13, schrieb Javier Agustìn
> > > Fernàndez Arroyo:
> > >
> > >  " or if there is anything you want to be fixed."
> > >  i still think a "cmake-oriented RosBE" is needed
> > >
> > >
> > >  And why do you think that?
> > >
> > >
> > >  _______________________________________________
> > >  Ros-dev mailing list
> > >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> > >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > >  
> >
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  Ros-dev mailing list
> >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> >  
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>

[Aleksey Bragin]

I may not be able to lead this meeting because I’m arriving late at home. I will
occasionally join and part though.

Amine – could you lead the meeting please?

WBR,
Aleksey Bragin.

From: Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:02 PM
To: ReactOS Development List 
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Monthly status meeting reminder

thank you so much, im finally able to do it, people helped me not too long ago....


On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Igor Paliychuk <mansonigor(a)gmail.com> wrote:

  Ask me i will explain it for you ;) 



  2011/7/26 Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo <elhoir(a)gmail.com>

    because for a normal user, who doesnt visit IRC frequently, does not navigate into the
web (wiki pages specially), or isnt in this ML, is hard right now to do it. 
    And i would say that even visiting the wiki its still hard to compile ROS with cmake


    On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Timo Kreuzer <timo.kreuzer(a)web.de> wrote:

      Am 26.07.2011 18:13, schrieb Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo: 
        " or if there is anything you want to be fixed." 
        i still think a "cmake-oriented RosBE" is needed



      And why do you think that?

[Amine Khaldi]

>   I may not be able to lead this meeting because I’m
> arriving late at 
>  home. I will occasionally join and part though.
>  Amine – could you lead the meeting please?
>  WBR,
>  Aleksey Bragin. 
No problem.

Regards,
Amine.

[Colin Finck]

Aleksey Bragin <aleksey(a)reactos.org> wrote:
>   Everyone is invited to listen, and active
>  community members have their passwords so that they can participate in
>  the discussion. 
The IRC system is still designed to use one-time passwords, so all 
participants will receive new passwords just before the meeting. 
Shouldn't be any less comfortable though, because you have to copy-paste 
the password from some mail anyway.


>   Colin - would you publish the most
>  up-to-date list of participants? 
- Giannis Adamopoulos (smiley1_)
- Johannes Anderwald (janderwald)
- Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo (elhoir)
- Maciej Bialas (niski)
- Jan Blomqvist-Kinander (JaixBly)
- Aleksey Bragin (abragin)
- Thomas Faber (ThFabba)
- Colin Finck (Colin_Finck)
- Jérôme Gardou (zefklop)
- Danny Götte (dangerground)
- Cameron Gutman (aicom)
- Ziliang Guo (ZWabbit)
- Rafal Harabien (rafalh)
- Andrew Hill (ash77)
- Kamil Hornicek (Pigglesworth)
- Gabriel Ilardi (gabriel_it)
- Alex Ionescu (Alex_Ionescu)
- Amine Khaldi (AmineKhaldi)
- Igor Koshpaev (tower)
- Timo Kreuzer (tkreuzer)
- Matthias Kupfer (Collibri)
- Michael Martin (mjmartin)
- Victor Martinez (vicmarcal)
- Roel Messiant (Mephisto)
- Claudiu Mihail (KlausM)
- Andrew Munger (WaxDragon)
- Ged Murphy (GedMurphy)
- Igor Paliychuk (igorko)
- Sylvain Petreolle (Usurp)
- Hervé Poussineau (hpoussin)
- Daniel Reimer (dreimer)
- Pierre Schweitzer (HeisSpiter)
- Samuel Serapion (encoded)
- Olaf Siejka (Caemyr)
- James Tabor (jimtabor)
- Christoph von Wittich (Christoph_vW)
- Art Yerkes (arty)

In short, it's the same list as last month minus Andrew Green and Neeraj 
Yadav, who both didn't reappear after their GSoC projects failed 
mid-term evaluation.
Please correct me if I'm wrong on this, but in my opinion, GSoC students 
should only stay in this list if they continue to work on ReactOS after 
their GSoC projects are over.

Finally, it might be possible that I cannot attend this meeting till the 
end this time. If anybody needs an additional introduction into our 
LogBot and VoteBot, please let me know and I'll show you.


- Colin

[Ged Murphy]

Can I just confirm that the channel is only available to people in the list
and not the general public?

Quoting Aleksey from a previous mail:
"Everyone is invited to listen, and active community members have their
passwords so that they can participate in the discussion."

I assume this was a mistake and only people with a username and password are
invited to listen and participate?

Ged.


-----Original Message-----
From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.org [mailto:[e-mail]] On
Behalf Of Colin Finck
Sent: 27 July 2011 21:42
To: ros-dev(a)reactos.org
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Monthly status meeting reminder

Aleksey Bragin <aleksey(a)reactos.org> wrote:
>   Everyone is invited to listen, and active community
> members have their 
>  passwords so that they can participate in the discussion. 
The IRC system is still designed to use one-time passwords, so all
participants will receive new passwords just before the meeting. 
Shouldn't be any less comfortable though, because you have to copy-paste the
password from some mail anyway.


>   Colin - would you publish the most
>  up-to-date list of participants? 
- Giannis Adamopoulos (smiley1_)
- Johannes Anderwald (janderwald)
- Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo (elhoir)
- Maciej Bialas (niski)
- Jan Blomqvist-Kinander (JaixBly)
- Aleksey Bragin (abragin)
- Thomas Faber (ThFabba)
- Colin Finck (Colin_Finck)
- Jérôme Gardou (zefklop)
- Danny Götte (dangerground)
- Cameron Gutman (aicom)
- Ziliang Guo (ZWabbit)
- Rafal Harabien (rafalh)
- Andrew Hill (ash77)
- Kamil Hornicek (Pigglesworth)
- Gabriel Ilardi (gabriel_it)
- Alex Ionescu (Alex_Ionescu)
- Amine Khaldi (AmineKhaldi)
- Igor Koshpaev (tower)
- Timo Kreuzer (tkreuzer)
- Matthias Kupfer (Collibri)
- Michael Martin (mjmartin)
- Victor Martinez (vicmarcal)
- Roel Messiant (Mephisto)
- Claudiu Mihail (KlausM)
- Andrew Munger (WaxDragon)
- Ged Murphy (GedMurphy)
- Igor Paliychuk (igorko)
- Sylvain Petreolle (Usurp)
- Hervé Poussineau (hpoussin)
- Daniel Reimer (dreimer)
- Pierre Schweitzer (HeisSpiter)
- Samuel Serapion (encoded)
- Olaf Siejka (Caemyr)
- James Tabor (jimtabor)
- Christoph von Wittich (Christoph_vW)
- Art Yerkes (arty)

In short, it's the same list as last month minus Andrew Green and Neeraj
Yadav, who both didn't reappear after their GSoC projects failed mid-term
evaluation.
Please correct me if I'm wrong on this, but in my opinion, GSoC students
should only stay in this list if they continue to work on ReactOS after
their GSoC projects are over.

Finally, it might be possible that I cannot attend this meeting till the end
this time. If anybody needs an additional introduction into our LogBot and
VoteBot, please let me know and I'll show you.


- Colin

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http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

[Colin Finck]

 Ged Murphy wrote:
>   Can I just confirm that the channel is only available
> to people in 
>  the list
>  and not the general public? 
 No, it is and has always been open to everybody who likes to join. 
 People without username and password can just act as observers though, 
 so they cannot talk and vote.
 This is also why we have voiced and non-voiced people during the 
 meeting.


 - Colin

[Ged Murphy]

Really??? I had no idea this was the case.
I thought the whole point of having it on private servers was to restrict
who or what could read the logs.

I suggest this be changed to make the meetings private.
People should be able to talk freely without the worry of having what they
say logged by unknown 3rd parties.

Ged.


-----Original Message-----
From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.org [mailto:[e-mail]] On
Behalf Of Colin Finck
Sent: 28 July 2011 15:15
To: ReactOS Development List
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Monthly status meeting reminder


 Ged Murphy wrote:
>   Can I just confirm that the channel is only available
> to people in the 
>  list and not the general public? 
 No, it is and has always been open to everybody who likes to join. 
 People without username and password can just act as observers though,  so
they cannot talk and vote.
 This is also why we have voiced and non-voiced people during the  meeting.


 - Colin

_______________________________________________
Ros-dev mailing list
Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

[dmex]

Private meetings really inspire confidence in the ReactOS project that it
has nothing to hide.

I myself will be observing the meeting to find out what's happening with
driver signing as it may impact a project I participate in. 

If you have something to hide then I too suggest talking all future ReactOS
developer meetings private.

-----Original Message-----
From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.org [mailto:[e-mail]] On
Behalf Of Ged Murphy
Sent: Thursday, 28 July 2011 10:28 PM
To: 'ReactOS Development List'
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Monthly status meeting reminder

Really??? I had no idea this was the case.
I thought the whole point of having it on private servers was to restrict
who or what could read the logs.

I suggest this be changed to make the meetings private.
People should be able to talk freely without the worry of having what they
say logged by unknown 3rd parties.

Ged.


-----Original Message-----
From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.org [mailto:[e-mail]] On
Behalf Of Colin Finck
Sent: 28 July 2011 15:15
To: ReactOS Development List
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Monthly status meeting reminder


 Ged Murphy wrote:
>   Can I just confirm that the channel is only available
> to people in the 
>  list and not the general public? 
 No, it is and has always been open to everybody who likes to join. 
 People without username and password can just act as observers though,  so
they cannot talk and vote.
 This is also why we have voiced and non-voiced people during the  meeting.


 - Colin

_______________________________________________
Ros-dev mailing list
Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev


_______________________________________________
Ros-dev mailing list
Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

[Ged Murphy]

It's not about having something to hide, it's about having the confidence to
speak openly about issues and not be concerned about who's listening in.
I've never heard of organizations which undertake meetings in public, it
seems ludicrous.

ReactOS driver signing is an internal issue and unless the IRC server is
private it should be dropped from the discussions.

Ged.



-----Original Message-----
From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.org [mailto:[e-mail]] On
Behalf Of dmex
Sent: 28 July 2011 15:54
To: 'ReactOS Development List'
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Monthly status meeting reminder

Private meetings really inspire confidence in the ReactOS project that it
has nothing to hide.

I myself will be observing the meeting to find out what's happening with
driver signing as it may impact a project I participate in. 

If you have something to hide then I too suggest talking all future ReactOS
developer meetings private.

-----Original Message-----
From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.org [mailto:[e-mail]] On
Behalf Of Ged Murphy
Sent: Thursday, 28 July 2011 10:28 PM
To: 'ReactOS Development List'
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Monthly status meeting reminder

Really??? I had no idea this was the case.
I thought the whole point of having it on private servers was to restrict
who or what could read the logs.

I suggest this be changed to make the meetings private.
People should be able to talk freely without the worry of having what they
say logged by unknown 3rd parties.

Ged.


-----Original Message-----
From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.org [mailto:[e-mail]] On
Behalf Of Colin Finck
Sent: 28 July 2011 15:15
To: ReactOS Development List
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Monthly status meeting reminder


 Ged Murphy wrote:
>   Can I just confirm that the channel is only available
> to people in the 
>  list and not the general public? 
 No, it is and has always been open to everybody who likes to join. 
 People without username and password can just act as observers though,  so
they cannot talk and vote.
 This is also why we have voiced and non-voiced people during the  meeting.


 - Colin

_______________________________________________
Ros-dev mailing list
Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev


_______________________________________________
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Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev


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[Igor Paliychuk]

About ARWINSS adoption: Dunno if Aleksey said some details about it but as i
understand he will be not present during that voting. So as one of the main
arwinss testers i propose the next point. I don't think he meant he wants to
replace current win32 SS in trunk. So the idea is to add arwinss files to
trunk and make dual setup/booting or to add another bootcd/testcd target. So
we could vote for each of this ideas or just vote for merging in general. Or
both ;)
So if i'm missing some info about merging plans tell me please. Otherwise
let's just vote ;)

2011/7/28 Ged Murphy <gedmurphy.maillists(a)gmail.com>

>   It's not about having something to hide, it's
> about having the confidence
>  to
>  speak openly about issues and not be concerned about who's listening in.
>  I've never heard of organizations which undertake meetings in public, it
>  seems ludicrous.
>
>  ReactOS driver signing is an internal issue and unless the IRC server is
>  private it should be dropped from the discussions.
>
>  Ged.
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.org [mailto:[e-mail]] On
>  Behalf Of dmex
>  Sent: 28 July 2011 15:54
>  To: 'ReactOS Development List'
>  Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Monthly status meeting reminder
>
>  Private meetings really inspire confidence in the ReactOS project that it
>  has nothing to hide.
>
>  I myself will be observing the meeting to find out what's happening with
>  driver signing as it may impact a project I participate in.
>
>  If you have something to hide then I too suggest talking all future ReactOS
>  developer meetings private.
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.org [mailto:[e-mail]] On
>  Behalf Of Ged Murphy
>  Sent: Thursday, 28 July 2011 10:28 PM
>  To: 'ReactOS Development List'
>  Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Monthly status meeting reminder
>
>  Really??? I had no idea this was the case.
>  I thought the whole point of having it on private servers was to restrict
>  who or what could read the logs.
>
>  I suggest this be changed to make the meetings private.
>  People should be able to talk freely without the worry of having what they
>  say logged by unknown 3rd parties.
>
>  Ged.
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.org [mailto:[e-mail]] On
>  Behalf Of Colin Finck
>  Sent: 28 July 2011 15:15
>  To: ReactOS Development List
>  Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Monthly status meeting reminder
>
>
>   Ged Murphy wrote:
> >   Can I just confirm that the channel is only
> > available to people in the
> >  list and not the general public? 
>   No, it is and has always been open to everybody who likes to join.
>   People without username and password can just act as observers though,  so
>  they cannot talk and vote.
>   This is also why we have voiced and non-voiced people during the  meeting.
>
>
>   - Colin
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>

The meeting was a failure. Unfortunately, my pessimism, regarding the formula used in our
case was 100% correct. I originally did proposed a meeting of volonteers, willing to take
part and discuss about things they inted to do, in order to coordinate the effort and
perhaps discuss the best way to solve the problems encountered.

Our meetings turned into a massive social event, too boring to participate actively. Want
a proof? out of 3x people logged, we had... less than a dozen of votes back?

This is simply a waste of time. Perhaps some of participants can just write off 3-4 hours
one thursday at the end of each month, but for me this is not acceptable.

Its a pity to see so much work from Colin, Amine and Vicmarcal, spent on organizing and
wriitng up for the meetings, simply wasted. Just take a shot and count the ratio of hours
spent in the meeting, vs decisions actually made.

Working over 10-11 hours a day, few hours every evening is usually all i have, shared also
with my social life.

I prefer having social meetings in real life, not on IRC, hence, this is the last meeting
i am participating in. Please cross my name out.

[Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo]

i cant go to an European country/town/city each month...
i agree on being preferable real meetings than IRC ones. But, its not
feasable to do it.

It is what was one of the proposals for the meeting - to have an annual
physical meeting

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:34 PM, <caemyr(a)myopera.com> wrote:

>   The meeting was a failure. Unfortunately, my
> pessimism, regarding the
>  formula used in our case was 100% correct. I originally did proposed a
>  meeting of volonteers, willing to take part and discuss about things they
>  inted to do, in order to coordinate the effort and perhaps discuss the best
>  way to solve the problems encountered.
>
>  Our meetings turned into a massive social event, too boring to participate
>  actively. Want a proof? out of 3x people logged, we had... less than a dozen
>  of votes back?
>
>  This is simply a waste of time. Perhaps some of participants can just write
>  off 3-4 hours one thursday at the end of each month, but for me this is not
>  acceptable.
>
>  Its a pity to see so much work from Colin, Amine and Vicmarcal, spent on
>  organizing and wriitng up for the meetings, simply wasted. Just take a shot
>  and count the ratio of hours spent in the meeting, vs decisions actually
>  made.
>
>  Working over 10-11 hours a day, few hours every evening is usually all i
>  have, shared also with my social life.
>
>  I prefer having social meetings in real life, not on IRC, hence, this is
>  the last meeting i am participating in. Please cross my name out.
>
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[Ged Murphy]

2011/7/29 Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo <elhoir(a)gmail.com>

>   i cant go to an European country/town/city each
> month...
>  i agree on being preferable real meetings than IRC ones. But, its not
>  feasable to do it.
>
>  
It is fesable. I've been playing around with Google+ hagouts recently, and I
think they're ideal for holding a meeting.

Ged.

[Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo]

Google+ is not "real life" ;)

On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Ged Murphy
<gedmurphy.maillists(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

>  
>
>  2011/7/29 Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo <elhoir(a)gmail.com>
>
> >   i cant go to an European country/town/city each
> > month...
> >  i agree on being preferable real meetings than IRC ones. But, its not
> >  feasable to do it.
> >
> >  
>  It is fesable. I've been playing around with Google+ hagouts recently, and
>  I think they're ideal for holding a meeting.
>
>  Ged.
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[niski]

And annual meeting in person isn't right solution for voting project's 
future, besides giving the possibility of having fun and sharing ideas.

W dniu 2011-07-30 14:32, Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo pisze:
>   Google+ is not "real life" ;)
>
>  On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Ged Murphy 
>  &lt;gedmurphy.maillists(a)gmail.com <mailto:[e-mail]>> 
>  wrote:
>
>
>
>      2011/7/29 Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo &lt;elhoir(a)gmail.com
>      <mailto:[e-mail]>>
>
>          i cant go to an European country/town/city each month...
>          i agree on being preferable real meetings than IRC ones. But,
>          its not feasable to do it.
>
>
>      It is fesable. I've been playing around with Google+ hagouts
>      recently, and I think they're ideal for holding a meeting.
>
>      Ged.
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