Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [cgutman] 52055: [FDC] - Implement fdc.sys (still needs work but fairly complete) [TXTSETUP.SIF] - Load fdc.sys for floppy controllers [FDC.INF] - Install fdc.sys for floppy controllers

[Aleksey Bragin]

With all my respect to the hard work put into this, I want to express  
my concerns:

Why is there a need to develop a half-done fdc, if there is a full,  
working, tested by millions driver available even in old DDKs, which  
we can use without violating its license?
Why waste time writing that driver from scratch now when we could  
just import DDK's one and spend time fixing our PnP manager instead,  
and other involved components so that DDK's driver actually works?
Again, with all my respect to Cameron, he does a great job, but when  
he disappears next time for a year or two, who is going to finish  
FDC? Or any other of his half-finished branches? (each being really a  
pearl if it's done).

I would really suggest using all available resources first and only  
then spend time developing our own stuff instead of already existing.


Thanks for understanding,
Aleksey.

On Jun 2, 2011, at 10:24 AM, cgutman(a)svn.reactos.org wrote:

>   Author: cgutman
>  Date: Thu Jun  2 06:24:25 2011
>  New Revision: 52055
>
>  URL: http://svn.reactos.org/svn/reactos?rev=52055&view=rev
>  Log:
>  [FDC]
>  - Implement fdc.sys (still needs work but fairly complete)
>  [TXTSETUP.SIF]
>  - Load fdc.sys for floppy controllers
>  [FDC.INF]
>  - Install fdc.sys for floppy controllers
>
>  Added:
>      trunk/reactos/drivers/storage/fdc/CMakeLists.txt   (with props)
>      trunk/reactos/drivers/storage/fdc/directory.rbuild   (with props)
>      trunk/reactos/drivers/storage/fdc/fdc/CMakeLists.txt   (with  
>  props)
>      trunk/reactos/drivers/storage/fdc/fdc/SOURCES   (with props)
>      trunk/reactos/drivers/storage/fdc/fdc/fdc.c   (with props)
>      trunk/reactos/drivers/storage/fdc/fdc/fdc.h   (with props)
>      trunk/reactos/drivers/storage/fdc/fdc/fdc.rbuild   (with props)
>      trunk/reactos/drivers/storage/fdc/fdc/fdc.rc   (with props)
>      trunk/reactos/drivers/storage/fdc/fdc/fdo.c   (with props)
>      trunk/reactos/drivers/storage/fdc/fdc/pdo.c   (with props)
>  Modified:
>      trunk/reactos/boot/bootdata/txtsetup.sif
>      trunk/reactos/drivers/storage/CMakeLists.txt
>      trunk/reactos/drivers/storage/directory.rbuild
>      trunk/reactos/media/inf/fdc.inf
>

[Cameron Gutman]

>   With all my respect to the hard work put into this, I
> want to express my concerns: 
How did I know this was coming? ;)
>   
>  Why is there a need to develop a half-done fdc, if there is a full, working, tested by
> millions driver available even in old DDKs, which we can use without violating its
> license?
>  Why waste time writing that driver from scratch now when we could just import DDK's
> one and spend time fixing our PnP manager instead, and other involved components so that
> DDK's driver actually works? 
As far as I know, the only floppy related DDK
driver is sfloppy.sys. If that is wrong, I would be happy to import a better fdc.sys and
scrap this one.
>   Again, with all my respect to Cameron, he does a great
> job, but when he disappears next time for a year or two, who is going to finish FDC? Or
> any other of his half-finished branches? (each being really a pearl if it's done).
aicom-hardware-fun can be deleted because somebody is finally working on usb.
tcp-rewrite-branch was merged to the GSoC project. The only incomplete branch is
aicom-network-branch which has Alex's new Winsock code in it (which only a few bugs
prevent from being fully functional).
>   I would really suggest using all available resources
> first and only then spend time developing our own stuff instead of already existing.
I did this thing in one (long) night because I was bored. It's not like I spent
a month doing it. I know people say "Who cares about floppy support?" and I
agree but it has to be done at some point to be compatible with XP/Vista/7.
>   
>  Thanks for understanding,
>  Aleksey. 
Regards,
Cameron

[Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo]

" I know people say "Who cares about floppy support?""

I care

Because i do think ReactOS can bring back to life old computers, which still
have floppies

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Cameron Gutman
<cameron.gutman(a)reactos.org>wrote;wrote:

>  
>
> >   With all my respect to the hard work put into
> > this, I want to express my 
>  concerns:
>  How did I know this was coming? ;)
> >  
> >  Why is there a need to develop a half-done fdc, if there is a full, 
>  working,
> tested by millions driver available even in old DDKs, which we can
>  use without violating its license?
> >   Why waste time writing that driver from scratch
> > now when we could just 
>  import DDK's one and spend time fixing our PnP manager
> instead, and other
>  involved components so that DDK's driver actually works?
>  As far as I know, the only floppy related DDK driver is sfloppy.sys. If
>  that is wrong, I would be happy to import a better fdc.sys and scrap this
>  one.
> >   Again, with all my respect to Cameron, he does a
> > great job, but when he 
>  disappears next time for a year or two, who is going to
> finish FDC? Or any
>  other of his half-finished branches? (each being really a pearl if it's
>  done).
>  aicom-hardware-fun can be deleted because somebody is finally working on
>  usb. tcp-rewrite-branch was merged to the GSoC project. The only incomplete
>  branch is aicom-network-branch which has Alex's new Winsock code in it
>  (which only a few bugs prevent from being fully functional).
> >   I would really suggest using all available
> > resources first and only then 
>  spend time developing our own stuff instead of
> already existing.
>  I did this thing in one (long) night because I was bored. It's not like I
>  spent a month doing it. I know people say "Who cares about floppy support?"
>  and I agree but it has to be done at some point to be compatible with
>  XP/Vista/7.
> >  
> >  Thanks for understanding,
> >  Aleksey. 
>  Regards,
>  Cameron
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>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>

[Adam]

I care since I use 5¼inch floppies. And of course once ReactOS is stable  
enough I intend to replace the current operating system on it (Windows NT  
Workstation 4.0) as better stuff will run on it.

And I also have two drives.

I agree ReactOS can bring back to life old computers, or at least give  
them a more up-do-date feeling to it.

On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 02:20:51 +1000, Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo  
<elhoir(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>   " I know people say "Who cares about floppy
> support?""
>
>  I care
>
>  Because i do think ReactOS can bring back to life old computers, which  
>  still
>  have floppies
>
>  On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Cameron Gutman
>  <cameron.gutman(a)reactos.org>wrote;wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > > With all my respect to the hard work put into this, I want to express  
> > my
> > concerns:
> > How did I know this was coming? ;)
> > >
> > > Why is there a need to develop a half-done fdc, if there is a full,
> > working, tested by millions driver available even in old DDKs, which we  
> > can
> > use without violating its license?
> > > Why waste time writing that driver from scratch now when we could just
> > import DDK's one and spend time fixing our PnP manager instead, and  
> > other
> > involved components so that DDK's driver actually works?
> > As far as I know, the only floppy related DDK driver is sfloppy.sys. If
> > that is wrong, I would be happy to import a better fdc.sys and scrap  
> > this
> > one.
> > > Again, with all my respect to Cameron, he does a great job, but when  
> > he
> > disappears next time for a year or two, who is going to finish FDC? Or  
> > any
> > other of his half-finished branches? (each being really a pearl if it's
> > done).
> > aicom-hardware-fun can be deleted because somebody is finally working on
> > usb. tcp-rewrite-branch was merged to the GSoC project. The only  
> > incomplete
> > branch is aicom-network-branch which has Alex's new Winsock code in it
> > (which only a few bugs prevent from being fully functional).
> > > I would really suggest using all available resources first and only  
> > then
> > spend time developing our own stuff instead of already existing.
> > I did this thing in one (long) night because I was bored. It's not like  
> > I
> > spent a month doing it. I know people say "Who cares about floppy  
> > support?"
> > and I agree but it has to be done at some point to be compatible with
> > XP/Vista/7.
> > >
> > > Thanks for understanding,
> > > Aleksey.
> > Regards,
> > Cameron
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > 

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[Alex Ionescu]

Hi,

Actually it is src\storage\fdc\ in the DDK. The ISO is freely availably from Microsoft.
Import it and see if it works with PnP.

Sfloppy is only in the WDK, which you are NOT allowed to use in ReactOS.

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Alex Ionescu

On 2011-06-02, at 11:53 AM, Cameron Gutman wrote:

>   
>  
> >   With all my respect to the hard work put into
> > this, I want to express my concerns: 
>  How did I know this was coming? ;)
> >   
> >  Why is there a need to develop a half-done fdc, if there is a full, working, tested by
> > millions driver available even in old DDKs, which we can use without violating its
> > license?
> >  Why waste time writing that driver from scratch now when we could just import DDK's
> > one and spend time fixing our PnP manager instead, and other involved components so that
> > DDK's driver actually works? 
>  As far as I know, the only floppy related DDK
> driver is sfloppy.sys. If that is wrong, I would be happy to import a better fdc.sys and
> scrap this one.
> >   Again, with all my respect to Cameron, he does a
> > great job, but when he disappears next time for a year or two, who is going to finish FDC?
> > Or any other of his half-finished branches? (each being really a pearl if it's done).
>  aicom-hardware-fun can be deleted because somebody is finally working on usb.
> tcp-rewrite-branch was merged to the GSoC project. The only incomplete branch is
> aicom-network-branch which has Alex's new Winsock code in it (which only a few bugs
> prevent from being fully functional).
> >   I would really suggest using all available
> > resources first and only then spend time developing our own stuff instead of already
> > existing. 
>  I did this thing in one (long) night because I was bored. It's not
> like I spent a month doing it. I know people say "Who cares about floppy
> support?" and I agree but it has to be done at some point to be compatible with
> XP/Vista/7.
> >   
> >  Thanks for understanding,
> >  Aleksey. 
>  Regards,
>  Cameron
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

[Alex Ionescu]

You can also check out http://www.hackchina.com/en/r/101589/fdc.htm__html as an HTML
reference.

The nice thing about FDC is that it even uses ACPI, so it's a good test point for
that.

Then you can import flpydisk and get rid of the current NT4-based floppy.sys

--
Best regards,
Alex Ionescu

On 2011-06-02, at 11:53 AM, Cameron Gutman wrote:

>   
>  
> >   With all my respect to the hard work put into
> > this, I want to express my concerns: 
>  How did I know this was coming? ;)
> >   
> >  Why is there a need to develop a half-done fdc, if there is a full, working, tested by
> > millions driver available even in old DDKs, which we can use without violating its
> > license?
> >  Why waste time writing that driver from scratch now when we could just import DDK's
> > one and spend time fixing our PnP manager instead, and other involved components so that
> > DDK's driver actually works? 
>  As far as I know, the only floppy related DDK
> driver is sfloppy.sys. If that is wrong, I would be happy to import a better fdc.sys and
> scrap this one.
> >   Again, with all my respect to Cameron, he does a
> > great job, but when he disappears next time for a year or two, who is going to finish FDC?
> > Or any other of his half-finished branches? (each being really a pearl if it's done).
>  aicom-hardware-fun can be deleted because somebody is finally working on usb.
> tcp-rewrite-branch was merged to the GSoC project. The only incomplete branch is
> aicom-network-branch which has Alex's new Winsock code in it (which only a few bugs
> prevent from being fully functional).
> >   I would really suggest using all available
> > resources first and only then spend time developing our own stuff instead of already
> > existing. 
>  I did this thing in one (long) night because I was bored. It's not
> like I spent a month doing it. I know people say "Who cares about floppy
> support?" and I agree but it has to be done at some point to be compatible with
> XP/Vista/7.
> >   
> >  Thanks for understanding,
> >  Aleksey. 
>  Regards,
>  Cameron
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev