reactos.com or reactos.org?

[Ge van Geldorp]

I was wondering if, together with the launch of the new website, we should
switch our "primary" domain from reactos.com to reactos.org? We have control
of both domains. An .org domain seems better suited for a open source
project. What do you all think?

Gé van Geldorp (aka [e-mail] :-))

[Andrew Murphy]

I agree

Make dns for .com point to the same IP, problem solved.

On 24/08/05, Ge van Geldorp [e-mail] wrote:
> I was wondering if, together with the launch of the new website, we should
> switch our "primary" domain from reactos.com http://reactos.com to 
> reactos.org http://reactos.org? We have control
> of both domains. An .org domain seems better suited for a open source
> project. What do you all think?
>
> Gé van Geldorp (aka [e-mail] :-))
>
> Ros-dev mailing list
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> http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

[Phil Frisbie, Jr.]

Andrew Murphy wrote:
> I agree
>
> Make dns for .com point to the same IP, problem solved.

Almost... Also enable mod_rewrite (assuming Apache) so that requests to 
reactos.com are rewritten to reactos.org.
-- 
Phil Frisbie, Jr.
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http://www.hawksoft.com

[Ge van Geldorp]

> From: Phil Frisbie, Jr.
>
> Andrew Murphy wrote:
> > I agree
> >
> > Make dns for .com point to the same IP, problem solved.
>
> Almost... Also enable mod_rewrite (assuming Apache) so that 
> requests to reactos.com are rewritten to reactos.org.

The technical stuff is not the problem, we can handle that... It's more the
philosophical question I'd like opinions on.

Ge van Geldorp.

[Phil Frisbie, Jr.]

Ge van Geldorp wrote:

<snip technical discussion>
> The technical stuff is not the problem, we can handle that... It's more the
> philosophical question I'd like opinions on.

OK, I think that reactos.com requests should be sent to reactos.org because the 
.org seems more appropriate for a non-profit. Or maybe I have just been 
wandering around the 'net too many years!
> Ge van Geldorp.
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[Rick Langschultz]

Why not do this -
reactos.com would be for the operating system itself and all of the  
operating system information.
reactos.org would be a community site for developers, users, and  
provide information kind of like MSDN.
Both of which can be on the same machine

On Aug 24, 2005, at 12:20 PM, Ge van Geldorp wrote:
> I was wondering if, together with the launch of the new website, we  
> should
> switch our "primary" domain from reactos.com to reactos.org? We  
> have control
> of both domains. An .org domain seems better suited for a open source
> project. What do you all think?
>
> Gé van Geldorp (aka [e-mail] :-))
>
> Ros-dev mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

[Wesley Parish]

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 06:34, Rick Langschultz wrote:
> Why not do this -
> reactos.com would be for the operating system itself and all of the
> operating system information.
> reactos.org would be a community site for developers, users, and
> provide information kind of like MSDN.

I like it.  It makes sense, and allows you to make good use of both domains.

Also gives room for growth, when ReactOS hits the big time! ;)

Wesley Parish
> Both of which can be on the same machine
>
> On Aug 24, 2005, at 12:20 PM, Ge van Geldorp wrote:
> > I was wondering if, together with the launch of the new website, we
> > should
> > switch our "primary" domain from reactos.com to reactos.org? We
> > have control
> > of both domains. An .org domain seems better suited for a open source
> > project. What do you all think?
> >
> > Gé van Geldorp (aka [e-mail] :-))
> >
> > Ros-dev mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>
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I agree. It's kind of usus to be .org as OS

Ge van Geldorp wrote:
> I was wondering if, together with the launch of the new website, we should
> switch our "primary" domain from reactos.com to reactos.org? We have control
> of both domains. An .org domain seems better suited for a open source
> project. What do you all think?
>
> Gé van Geldorp (aka [e-mail] :-))
>
> Ros-dev mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

[Casper Hornstrup]

+1. If we have reactos.com redirect to reactos.org (as opposed to
mirroring reactos.org) then other sites are more likely to link
to reactos.org instead of reactos.com.

Casper
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Ge van Geldorp
> Sent: 24. august 2005 19:20
> To: 'ReactOS Development List'; 'ReactOS General List'
> Subject: [ros-dev] reactos.com or reactos.org?
>
> I was wondering if, together with the launch of the new website, we should
> switch our "primary" domain from reactos.com to reactos.org? We have control
> of both domains. An .org domain seems better suited for a open source
> project. What do you all think?
>
> Gé van Geldorp (aka [e-mail] :-))
>
> Ros-dev mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

[Rick Langschultz]

I don't think reactos.org should be an operaating system site. What  
major Operating System manufacturer uses .org as their domain suffix.
Microsoft.com, Apple.com, Redhat.com. Given .ORG should be considered  
i think sticking with reactos.com would allow users to easily  
remember. I also think reactos.org should
be a community organization site, as well as a developer reference  
library which would hold everything a novice would need to build or  
port to reactos. Also it could be a centralized place to hold system  
compatibility information.

here is another think we could have something like:  
community.reactos.com be linked to reactos.org. Just an idea.
On Aug 24, 2005, at 12:20 PM, Ge van Geldorp wrote:
> I was wondering if, together with the launch of the new website, we  
> should
> switch our "primary" domain from reactos.com to reactos.org? We  
> have control
> of both domains. An .org domain seems better suited for a open source
> project. What do you all think?
>
> Gé van Geldorp (aka [e-mail] :-))
>
> Ros-dev mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

[Les Cooper]

Ge van Geldorp wrote:
> I was wondering if, together with the launch of the new website, we should
> switch our "primary" domain from reactos.com to reactos.org? We have control
> of both domains. An .org domain seems better suited for a open source
> project. What do you all think?
>
> Gé van Geldorp (aka [e-mail] :-))
>
> Ros-dev mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

*definition from dictionary.com*

*.com*

/abbr./

commercial organization (in Internet addresses).

perhaps we should redirect from reactos.com to .org with a short page (with a donation link) explaining our non-profit status and the gpl.
cheers
Les

[Simon Cornelius P. Umacob]

Hi everyone.  I've been lurking in this list for quite some time.  I'm 
simoncpu from Cebu, Philippines. :)

IMHO, I think it would be most logical to use the .org TLD because it 
appropriately describes the nature of the ReactOS project.  We must use 
reactos.org for all correpondence and advertisements, but reactos.com 
must still redirect--not just point--to reactos.org.  I agree that other 
sites will tend to link to reactos.org.

According to the Public Internet Registry, we ought to use a .ORG TLD 
because it provides:

* TRUST: .ORG conveys credibility. It is the home of groups that people 
turn to for trusted information, guidance and support.

* VALUABLE, WELL-INTENTIONED INFORMATION: .ORG Web sites are known for 
containing valuable information and for representing worthwhile causes.

* FUNDRAISING POTENTIAL: .ORG customers report that having a site with 
the .ORG extension is best for online fundraising.

* TARGETING: The vast majority of Internet users associate "nonprofit" 
with .ORG Web sites.

http://www.pir.org/AboutORG/Why.aspx

BTW, when I queried the whois for reactos.net, I found that it was 
registered to someone else:

domain:                      reactos.net
status:                      ACTIVE
nserver:                     ns9.schlundtech.de
nserver:                     ns10.schlundtech.de
created:                     2005-04-12 09:53:00
expire:                      2006-04-12 00:00:00 (registry time)
changed:                     2005-08-12 07:52:36

[owner-c] fname:             Martin
[owner-c] lname:             Kremser
[owner-c] address:           Bottenhorner Weg 40
[owner-c] city:              Frankfurt am Main
[owner-c] pcode:             60489
[owner-c] country:           DE

[ simon.cpu ]

Ge van Geldorp wrote:
> I was wondering if, together with the launch of the new website, we should
> switch our "primary" domain from reactos.com to reactos.org? We have control
> of both domains. An .org domain seems better suited for a open source
> project. What do you all think?
>
> Gé van Geldorp (aka [e-mail] :-))
>
> Ros-dev mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
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[Derek Hinchliffe]

Hi all,

I too am a bit of a lurker on this list.  My first thoughts in this thread
were to agree with the suggestions to make reactos.com the OS site and
reactos.org the community/developer site.  This is what MySQL (there are
other examples I'm sure) have done - mysql.org is basically dev.mysql.com,
which has always made a lot of sense to me. You go to mysql.com if you
want to use the product, or you go to mysql.org if you want to check out
the development side of things.

However having thought more about it there is a difference between mySQL
and ReactOS - mySQL AB is a company trying to run a business selling and
supporting their open sourced software, whereas ReactOS is a non-profit
organisation from the ground up.  So with that in mind it makes sense to
me for reactos.org to be the primary and only site and reactos.com to
redirect to it.

This makes even more sense since ReactOS is a long way from being a
'product' as such - it is still definitely in the realm of developers and
curious onlookers, so having a seperate .com site for the software as
opposed to the development of it wouldn't make sense yet.

Cheers
Derek
> Hi everyone.  I've been lurking in this list for quite some time.  I'm
> simoncpu from Cebu, Philippines. :)
>
> IMHO, I think it would be most logical to use the .org TLD because it
> appropriately describes the nature of the ReactOS project.  We must use
> reactos.org for all correpondence and advertisements, but reactos.com
> must still redirect--not just point--to reactos.org.  I agree that other
> sites will tend to link to reactos.org.
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Atm people/websites who already know ReactOS point to *.reactos.com,
why should we change that ?

--- Ge van Geldorp [e-mail] a écrit :
> I was wondering if, together with the launch of the new website, we should
> switch our "primary" domain from reactos.com to reactos.org? We have control
> of both domains. An .org domain seems better suited for a open source
> project. What do you all think?
>
> Gé van Geldorp (aka [e-mail] :-))
>
> Ros-dev mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

Kind regards,

Usurp (aka Sylvain Petreolle)

humans are like computers,
yesterday the BIOS was all
- today its just a word

[Simon Cornelius P. Umacob]

The search key "link: reactos.org" in Google returns:
    Results 1 - 10 of about 1,700 for link: reactos.org. (0.08 seconds)

While "link: reactos.com" returns:
    Results 1 - 10 of about 13,000 for link: reactos.com. (0.09 seconds)

I guess the question is not on which URL to use per se-- but rather, on 
which URL to use in advocating ReactOS.  I'd still vote for reactos.org 
though, despite its not being well-used. =)

Whether you choose to use .org or .com, what matters is that you guys 
have made a wonderful job.  Kudos to the ReactOS dev team!

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[Rick Langschultz]

I pose this question to all of you.

When ReactOS releases a stable 100% working copy of reactos why not  
distribute reactos on computers. That way computer users can really  
pay for the hardware and the free os, but have the markup to like 10  
to 30%. That way reactos will have funding for further development,  
and do like microsoft has done not only with msn.com but hotmail.com  
I think many of the operating system developing companies offering  
email and instant messaging is a terrific way to bring in revenue.  
Like i stated before reactos.com is known by developers and users, if  
it isn't broken..., also offer reactos.org as a community and  
developer website with online documentation and programming  
reference. There should also be a more fluid feel to the website  
which has been polled upon within the past few weeks. I certainly  
would ditch my windows os for reactos, but i am sorry not my ibook.

just a thought,
Rick

[mf]

Ge van Geldorp wrote:
> I was wondering if, together with the launch of the new website, we should
> switch our "primary" domain from reactos.com to reactos.org? We have control
> of both domains. An .org domain seems better suited for a open source
> project. What do you all think?
>
> Gé van Geldorp (aka [e-mail] :-))

Just do a silent redirect (HTTP 302) to reactos.org/some/page, whenever 
reactos.com/some/page is accessed. Currently this is done only for the 
home page (reactos.org redirects to reactos.com but 
reactos.org/en/content/view/full doesn't redirect). We're going to have 
to look into redirects anyway if we want to preserve link life through 
the CMS change. I suggest running a recursive crawl over the current 
site (or ask google: 
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=site%3Areactos... 
), and setting up a redirect for each relevant result (unimportant or 
dropped pages can be redirected to the home page).

mf

[wang fei]

I agree.why not.
Ge van Geldorp wrote:
> I was wondering if, together with the launch of the new website, we should
> switch our "primary" domain from reactos.com to reactos.org? We have control
> of both domains. An .org domain seems better suited for a open source
> project. What do you all think?
>
> Gé van Geldorp (aka [e-mail] :-))
>
> Ros-dev mailing list
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