Assembly

[Jason Ward]

I am new and am keen on developing ReactOS.
I looked through the source of ReactOS, there are only 13 Nasm files.
A while ago (2 weeks I think) I mentioned RosAsm, it was shunned a bit
though by some of the devs.
Anyway, I would prefer to develop in RosAsm rather than Nasm, I know how you
guys feel about it stealing your name
but I prefer it to Nasm. (Syntax is cleaner)

So would it be possible for me to develop in RosAsm for ReactOS?
It does run under ReactOS so it's just a case of your acceptance.

[Thomas Weidenmueller]

You're free to use any code editor you want as long as the code you
submit can be compiled/assembled with our build system. All you need for
that is a basic text editor, anything beyond is your choice. We don't
care if you use RosAsm, Visual C++, Emacs, vi or notepad to write the code.

The reason we do not like RosAsm is that they more or less claim a
relationship with ReactOS but there is none. It's yet another Win32
program that has nothing ReactOS specific nor is affiliated with ReactOS
at all. We'd much prefer them to change their name.

- Thomas

[art yerkes]

On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:34:54 +0200
"Jason Ward" [e-mail] wrote:
> I am new and am keen on developing ReactOS.
> I looked through the source of ReactOS, there are only 13 Nasm files.
> A while ago (2 weeks I think) I mentioned RosAsm, it was shunned a bit
> though by some of the devs.
> Anyway, I would prefer to develop in RosAsm rather than Nasm, I know how you
> guys feel about it stealing your name
> but I prefer it to Nasm. (Syntax is cleaner)
>
> So would it be possible for me to develop in RosAsm for ReactOS?
> It does run under ReactOS so it's just a case of your acceptance.

Hard feelings aside (and sorry, the tone around here has become somewhat
invective recently), we're generally reluctant to take more host software
to build reactos.  Also, software required to build reactos should
generally be able to work in an unencumbered environment such as linux
or freebsd.  Several of us (and the build server) use linux to build
reactos.  We've even done some soul searching about, in my opinion, 
very safe choices like flex and bison and found them to be too much of
a burden.
-- 
The way out is via the door. Why is it that no one will use this method? - Confucius

[Betov]

-------Original Message-------

From: art yerkes
Date: 17/04/2007 11:22:56
To: ReactOS Development List
Cc: Jason Ward
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Assembly

On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:34:54 +0200
"Jason Ward" [e-mail] wrote:
> I am new and am keen on developing ReactOS.
> I looked through the source of ReactOS, there are only 13 Nasm files.
> A while ago (2 weeks I think) I mentioned RosAsm, it was shunned a bit
> though by some of the devs.
> Anyway, I would prefer to develop in RosAsm rather than Nasm, I know how

you
> guys feel about it stealing your name
> but I prefer it to Nasm. (Syntax is cleaner)
>
> So would it be possible for me to develop in RosAsm for ReactOS?
> It does run under ReactOS so it's just a case of your acceptance.

Hard feelings aside (and sorry, the tone around here has become somewhat
invective recently), we're generally reluctant to take more host software
to build reactos.

Not talking of the absurdity of the request, as long as RosAsm could,
In no way, be of any use, as an Assembler, for doing what you may
 use an Assembler for: RosAsm is, exclusively, a development
Environment for outputting PEs written entirely in Assembly. Really
 no relationship with a Multi-Purpose Assembler you could ever use
 aside any C.

Well, while I am at it, about the previous shocking absurdities:
> FYI, RosASM is a non-approved, trademark-violating project that
> misrepresents itself as a ReactOS-funded/supported utility.
> ...
> As an attempt to gain some sort of credibility. The people behind
> it (betov& co) are well-known and hated among the professional ASM
> development community (most notably on the ASM newsgroups).

* RosAsm exist since September 1998. I started this Project the very
  First day I heard of ReactOS. This is to say, I never wrote one single
  Line for Windows, and I never used Windows any other way, but as
  A development platform, as long as ReactOS was not usable.

* RosAsm is developed collectively under GPL.

* We are not used to promote our Tool, and would we have intention to
  Do so, we would certainly not have suggested, with its name, that it
  was, in any way, devoted to an OS that does not exist, yet. "The
  Visual Assembler", or whatever such name would have been many
  Times more appropriated.

* The fact that our Assembler name is "RosAsm" expresses the flat fact
   That it is devoted to ReactOS. Period. This irritates Alex because he
   Hates me, and this is OK to me to irritates the very same individual,
   Who is implying that poor old Harmut was a dirty guy, having done
   something bad to reactOS, when leaving because of his conduct.

* If ReactOS is a virtually dead Project, because of the topic that all of
   you seem to carefully avoid and try to hide under the carpet, we (the
   RosAsm Project), will effectively have serious problems, and not only
   with its Name. See what I mean Alexey? ("Nothing has been found yet",
   "these are rumors", and so on...).

:(

Betov.

< http://rosasm.org >

< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RosAsm >

[João Jerónimo]

Betov wrote:
> If ReactOS is a virtually dead Project, because of the topic that all of
>  you seem to carefully avoid and try to hide under the carpet, we (the
>  RosAsm Project), will effectively have serious problems, and not only
>  with its Name. See what I mean Alexey? ("Nothing has been found yet",
>  "these are rumors", and so on...).

I can be wrong, but I think the solution followed by React's developers concerning that topic was
the only one (out of the proposed ones) that can avoid ReactOS' death...

Really, there seems to be a lot less enthusiasm in this ML since all that discussion took place, but
this isn't an indicative that "ReactOS is a virtually dead Project"...

JJ

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[David Johnson]

I am counting on ROS v1.0
On Apr 17, 2007, at 7:08 PM, João Jerónimo wrote:
> Betov wrote:
> > If ReactOS is a virtually dead Project, because of the topic
> >
> > that all of
> >    you seem to carefully avoid and try to hide under the carpet,  
> > we (the
> >    RosAsm Project), will effectively have serious problems, and  
> > not only
> >    with its Name. See what I mean Alexey? ("Nothing has been found  
> > yet",
> >    "these are rumors", and so on...).
>
> I can be wrong, but I think the solution followed by React's  
> developers concerning that topic was
> the only one (out of the proposed ones) that can avoid ReactOS'  
> death...
>
> Really, there seems to be a lot less enthusiasm in this ML since  
> all that discussion took place, but
> this isn't an indicative that "ReactOS is a virtually dead Project"...
>
> JJ
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[Betov]

-------Original Message-------

From: David Johnson
Date: 18/04/2007 02:10:31
To: ReactOS Development List
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Assembly
> I am counting on ROS v1.0
> On Apr 17, 2007, at 7:08 PM, João Jerónimo wrote:
> > Betov wrote:
> > If ReactOS is a virtually dead Project, because of the topic that all of
> >
> > You seem to carefully avoid and try to hide under the carpet, we (the
> >  RosAsm Project), will effectively have serious problems, and not only
> >  With its Name. See what I mean Alexey? ("Nothing has been found yet",
> >  "these are rumors", and so on...).
> I can be wrong, but I think the solution followed by React's developers

concerning that topic was
The only one (out of the proposed ones) that can avoid ReactOS' death...
>
> Really, there seems to be a lot less enthusiasm in this ML since all that

discussion took place, but
This isn't an indicative that "ReactOS is a virtually dead Project"...

I also would like to see  V.1.0 up and living some other day, David.
If not, I will have wasted ten years of my life for nope.

This is exactly the reason why I am questioning about the Audit conduct.
Up to now, I never got any answer (not considering the standard propaganda)

My questions are flat and simple:

* Do the developers of a GPL Project have anything to hide?

* Why are NOT the offending Files listed in the public "Locked List".

* If the Files are hidden under the carpet, who will fix them and how?

* Can you imagine that, if I can point them out, MicroSoft will miss them,
the day
   ReactOS will become a problem for their income?

* What is the mean for these outrageous bullshits saying that nothing has
been found?

Betov.

Hello everyone.
IMHO: i simply don't post anything for respect to the developers, i don't want to
contribute anything in the ml until it has substantial importance.

Byes, my best regards to every1

--- João Jerónimo [e-mail] escribió:
> Betov wrote:
> > If ReactOS is a virtually dead Project, because of the topic that all of
> >  you seem to carefully avoid and try to hide under the carpet, we (the
> >  RosAsm Project), will effectively have serious problems, and not only
> >  with its Name. See what I mean Alexey? ("Nothing has been found yet",
> >  "these are rumors", and so on...).
>
> I can be wrong, but I think the solution followed by React's developers concerning that
> topic was
> the only one (out of the proposed ones) that can avoid ReactOS' death...
>
> Really, there seems to be a lot less enthusiasm in this ML since all that discussion
> took place, but
> this isn't an indicative that "ReactOS is a virtually dead Project"...
>
> JJ

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