Ros-dev February 2006

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RE: [ros-dev] ***SPAM*** Goodbye Everyone...
by Murphy, Ged (Bolton) 16 Feb '06

16 Feb '06

Juan Rodriguez wrote: > I totally agree with Hyperion, not to mention that even the > last version > was far away from beeing really usable/stable as an os should > be at least. > I know there is much work that has been done, but as i recall the > project was to make an os able of beeing an alternative to windows > itself, politics and such, are matters that should be > discusssed after > the project has taken form, and imho it is not. So lets code and stop > bitching about politics. Great, you should join the project and solve all our problems. I wish we had realised sooner that the answer was so simple. We could have saved all this mess if we had known the way to avoid issues is to shut up and continue coding. ************************************************************************ The information contained in this message or any of its attachments is confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. The information may also be legally privileged. The views expressed may not be company policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact postmaster(a)exideuk.co.uk <mailto:postmaster@exideuk.co.uk> and then delete this message. Exide Technologies is an industrial and transportation battery producer and recycler with operations in 89 countries. Further information can be found at www.exide.com

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RE: [ros-dev] Goodbye Everyone...
by Murphy, Ged (Bolton) 16 Feb '06

16 Feb '06

... wrote: > I have seen enough of such scaring horrors, like Anti-GPL, and/or > Right-Wing guys, contributing to ReactOS, to understand the reasons > why the true words were not said, but, at this point, i really would > like to know where the things are going to, and if a dissident Project > is to be started, the correct political and ethical way, or if the > same Project is taking a correct path, i would like to see, at least, > a "White Paper" for it. Having seen volunnteers saying that "using > GPLed-compatible Dev-Tools was not a necessity" (Hyperion, if i recall > well), or pure horrors like "In the future we may have collaborations > with MicroSoft" (Alex, taking publicly the defense of a Neo-Nazi, > against... me -???!!!...-), for example, are things that made me > really sea-sick. > > Personaly, i am not interrested with knowing if unfair Code was > implemented or not (knowing of the individual, this is not any > surprise to me, by the way). What i wish to know is: > > Will the political and ethical lessons be understood? Or not? > > [By the way, the simple fact of having to ask such a question, > about such an important GPLed Project, like what ReactOS is, > is already a pure scandal to me: I shouldn't even have to ask] Sorry, I'm not really sure what your question is. After being derailed recently, ReactOS is now being put back on the tracks. There is finally a clear path starting to emerge for development to restart. There will not be a fork, development work will continue on ReactOS. If any of those don't answer your question, can you try to reword it please. Ged. ************************************************************************ The information contained in this message or any of its attachments is confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. The information may also be legally privileged. The views expressed may not be company policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact postmaster(a)exideuk.co.uk <mailto:postmaster@exideuk.co.uk> and then delete this message. Exide Technologies is an industrial and transportation battery producer and recycler with operations in 89 countries. Further information can be found at www.exide.com

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RE: [ros-dev] ***SPAM*** Goodbye Everyone...
by Murphy, Ged (Bolton) 16 Feb '06

16 Feb '06

theUser BL wrote > That would be nice. > If you restore the old cvs-tree, before the Windows-code > leaked (ca. 7. Feb. > 2003) and before the people who have readed the code joined > ReactOS, then > there existing legal ReactOS-code, which you can published. No, you misunderstood. The whole tree will be reopened in the state it was in before it closed. More details will follow when this happens. The leaked source code was never an issue here, that was an escalation of the mail which was posted on the public list. The rumours which materialized from that were unfounded and untrue. ************************************************************************ The information contained in this message or any of its attachments is confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. The information may also be legally privileged. The views expressed may not be company policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact postmaster(a)exideuk.co.uk <mailto:postmaster@exideuk.co.uk> and then delete this message. Exide Technologies is an industrial and transportation battery producer and recycler with operations in 89 countries. Further information can be found at www.exide.com

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Re: [ros-dev] ***SPAM*** Goodbye Everyone...
by theUser BL 16 Feb '06

16 Feb '06

>The only consolation I can give you is that the old tree will be restored >somewhere as per the vote. From there auditing should take place. That would be nice. If you restore the old cvs-tree, before the Windows-code leaked (ca. 7. Feb. 2003) and before the people who have readed the code joined ReactOS, then there existing legal ReactOS-code, which you can published. That is what is needed! At the moment you have deleted all. There existing no longer any code. The look at the future is to look behind, which code can be let in and which not. But if you publish old code, then there is a point from which on the ReactOS-developer - like Richard - can again developing forward. Greatings theuserbl

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RE: [ros-dev] Goodbye Everyone...
by rené Tournois 16 Feb '06

16 Feb '06

At 10:20 16/02/2006 -0000, you wrote: >It is inevitable that as a project grows in size and popularity, it also >becomes much more political. [...] > >There is no getting away from the fact that politics would eventually >emerge, it was going to happen some day. I am a lurker, here. I started a GPLed project -completely outside ReactOS, but conditioned to the existence of ReactoS- the first day i heard of the ReactOS Project. In other words, i work _for_ reactOS Environment, and not _for_ Windows, and along all of these years of developments (I started in 1998), i always took a particular care of locking my own work, so that it could not be extended and re-used, in case the ReactOS Project would collapse. I am used to not post anything, here, as long as i consider that, as i do not contribute to anything in the ReactOS developments, i just have the right to shut-up and thank for having the right for reading. Nevertheless, with the actual events, it seems to me that, we -the external lurkers- have natural rights to be informed about the _real_ political and ethical concerns. I have seen enough of such scaring horrors, like Anti-GPL, and/or Right-Wing guys, contributing to ReactOS, to understand the reasons why the true words were not said, but, at this point, i really would like to know where the things are going to, and if a dissident Project is to be started, the correct political and ethical way, or if the same Project is taking a correct path, i would like to see, at least, a "White Paper" for it. Having seen volunnteers saying that "using GPLed-compatible Dev-Tools was not a necessity" (Hyperion, if i recall well), or pure horrors like "In the future we may have collaborations with MicroSoft" (Alex, taking publicly the defense of a Neo-Nazi, against... me -???!!!...-), for example, are things that made me really sea-sick. Personaly, i am not interrested with knowing if unfair Code was implemented or not (knowing of the individual, this is not any surprise to me, by the way). What i wish to know is: Will the political and ethical lessons be understood? Or not? [By the way, the simple fact of having to ask such a question, about such an important GPLed Project, like what ReactOS is, is already a pure scandal to me: I shouldn't even have to ask] Betov. < http://rosasm.org >

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RE: [ros-dev] Goodbye Everyone...
by Murphy, Ged (Bolton) 16 Feb '06

16 Feb '06

Rick Langschultz wrote > It seems that many people want to give up the project, which would be > a total loss of time and energy of those who have spent many hours > and money on the project. I agree that it has looked like that on occasions, however I assure you that is not the case :) It is inevitable that as a project grows in size and popularity, it also becomes much more political. There is no avoiding the fact that the ReactOS of today is a very different environment from what it was. This change leads to many of the original developers viewing the project of losing the aspect of fun which it used to have. As a consequence, many are leaving the project which, is a sad and unfortunate outcome. There is no getting away from the fact that politics would eventually emerge, it was going to happen some day. All big project have this barrier to battle with, and that day has arrived ReactOS too. However with project growth bringing the unfortunate addition of politics, it also brings the welcome addition of excitement and maturity. End users now have something to try out, we even have firefox and thinderbird running now :-D This level of maturity should ensure the survival of ReactOS, even if there are huge mountains to climb every so often. Hope that raises a few spirits, keep your eye on ReactOS this weekend ;) Ged. ************************************************************************ The information contained in this message or any of its attachments is confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. The information may also be legally privileged. The views expressed may not be company policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact postmaster(a)exideuk.co.uk <mailto:postmaster@exideuk.co.uk> and then delete this message. Exide Technologies is an industrial and transportation battery producer and recycler with operations in 89 countries. Further information can be found at www.exide.com

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RE: [ros-dev] Goodbye Everyone...
by Murphy, Ged (Bolton) 16 Feb '06

16 Feb '06

Steven Edwards wrote: > We seem to be a ship that is taking on water. We are hopefully about to hit a turning point and put things back on track. The project has been completely lost and in the dark for the past few weeks, but we are starting to find the light now. I'm looking forward to this weekend ;) Ged. ************************************************************************ The information contained in this message or any of its attachments is confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. The information may also be legally privileged. The views expressed may not be company policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact postmaster(a)exideuk.co.uk <mailto:postmaster@exideuk.co.uk> and then delete this message. Exide Technologies is an industrial and transportation battery producer and recycler with operations in 89 countries. Further information can be found at www.exide.com

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Call for Vote
by Maarten Bosma 15 Feb '06

15 Feb '06

Subject: Freeze every module in svn until it got audited Proposed by: Maarten Bosma / Art Yerkes Days of discussion: 7 (started 09.02.2006) Days of voting: 7 (starting in 24 hours from now - 16.02.2006 20:00 GMT) Proposal: Do not allow changes to a module until it got audited. Options: [ ] Accept proposal [ ] Do not accept [ ] Further Discussion Remarks: I took the first appearance of the idea as beginning of discussion.

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Freeldr installer ?
by Sylvain Petreolle 15 Feb '06

15 Feb '06

Hi people, Im using Freeldr to boot up my entire system since I tried ReactOS. I installed it on a diskette in the past and it would be a great thing if I could migrate it to the hard disk. Since the old SVN isnt online anymore, I dont have access to the commandline installer. Do you plan to put it back into the SVN later, and if not, could you tell me where I can find it ? Kind regards, Sylvain Petreolle (aka Usurp) --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- Tired of a proprietary Windows on your computer ? Use free ReactOS instead ( http://www.reactos.org )

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RE: [ros-dev] FW: Repository hosting
by Murphy, Ged (Bolton) 15 Feb '06

15 Feb '06

Perhaps this is now the time to move it to the Swedish servers as suggested by JvA -----Original Message----- From: Ge van Geldorp [mailto:gvg@reactos.org] Sent: 15 February 2006 11:27 To: 'ReactOS Development List' Cc: 'Casper Hornstrup' Subject: [ros-dev] FW: Repository hosting > -----Original Message----- > From: Casper Hornstrup [mailto:ch@eudicon.com] > Sent: 13. februar 2006 18:06 > To: 'ReactOS Development List' > Subject: Repository hosting > > Hi. > > I've decided not to host the ReactOS Subversion repository beyond > March 31st 2006. That gives you up to ~6 weeks to find a new place to > host it. I will send the repositories (both new and old) to the person > who will host the repository in the future. Please contact me when you > want this done. ************************************************************************ The information contained in this message or any of its attachments is confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. The information may also be legally privileged. The views expressed may not be company policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact postmaster(a)exideuk.co.uk <mailto:postmaster@exideuk.co.uk> and then delete this message. Exide Technologies is an industrial and transportation battery producer and recycler with operations in 89 countries. Further information can be found at www.exide.com

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Ros-dev February 2006