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Re: [ros-dev] Moving svn to another contrury or not
by Johannes Olofsson 03 Feb '06

03 Feb '06

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Re: Re: [ros-dev] Moving svn to another contrury or not
by Johannes Olofsson 03 Feb '06

03 Feb '06

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Re: Re: [ros-dev] Undocumented APIs
by Johannes Olofsson 03 Feb '06

03 Feb '06

Oh... I thought it might have been some kind of expression describing the feeling of "the project is going to #£€% anyway so why not move to Sweden as well..." My interpretation might have been biased by the somewhat edgy and often childish attitudes displayed in this thread lately. My opinion is that we HAVE to walk a few extra miles to regain the credability of this project. Even if this means more documentation and restrictions for the devoted practicians of reverse engineering. /Johannes Olofsson > Från: James Tabor <jimtabor(a)adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> > Till: ReactOS Development List <ros-dev(a)reactos.org> > Rubrik: Re: [ros-dev] Undocumented APIs > Datum: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 12:43:42 +0000 > Johannes Olofsson wrote: > > > > > > >>Man! Sweden here we come! > >>James > >> > > > > ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? > > Was this some kind of insult? > > /Johannes > > > WHAT? > NO! There was talk of moving the svn to Sweden. > James > _______________________________________________ > Ros-dev mailing list > Ros-dev(a)reactos.org > <a > href=http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev>http://www.reactos.org/ > mailman/listinfo/ros-dev</a>

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Related to Reverse Engeneering.
by Jerry 02 Feb '06

02 Feb '06

Here is a link to my privious post dealing with reverse engeneering. http://www.reactos.org/archives/public/ros-dev/2006-February/007691.html http://www.myersbigel.com/copyright_articles/copy_article2.htm "We conclude that where disassembly is the only way to gain access to the ideas and functional elements embodied in a copyrighted computer program and where there is a legitimate reason for seeking such access, disassembly is a fair use as a matter of law"--Sega Enterprises Ltd. v. Accolade, Inc -- Listen to Americas Debate Radio at 9 o'clock eastren on Wensdays! http://radio.americasdebate.net/listen/low (Dial Up) http://radio.americasdebate.net/listen/ (BroadBand) Call in at: 1-888-DEBATE-5 1-912-342-2345 Skype: callto://americasdebate

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Moving svn to another contrury or not
by Magnus Olsen 02 Feb '06

02 Feb '06

here is a letter from JvA. As most people know we have talk to move svn to another place. Dear ReactOS Crew, I spoke today with Lysators highest administrator Kalle, and he told me that there should be no problem what so ever for Lysator to host you. However, in order for us to host you we need a letter from you where you ask us to host you, and specify what you want to use the server for. This letter is needed for bureaucratic reasons. The root group needs to officially grant you the right to be hosted in our server hall, and marked as a Lysator-project. What the root group wants to know is what you intend to use the server for and what ports you need open in the firewall. The security rules in Lysator strictly says that only Lysator members are allowed to have administrator/root accounts on the servers in the server hall. The person who would administrate your server would be me. People outside Lysator, like the ReactOS developers, are however allowed to have normal SSH-accounts. Bandwidth is not a problem. Kalle told me that Lysator has been granted a secondary gbit-connection if the current one isn't enough. By the way, the server hall has UPS:es to make sure the servers are online even if there are would be electrical difficulties. When you have had a meeting and decided what you want hosted in the Lysator server hall, send me a letter where you ask us to host you and I'll give it to Kalle. When you officially have been granted to be hosted by us, you need to supply us with a server, 1U or 2U. If you want, I could build it for you here in Linköping if you collect money and let GreatLord buy the parts. The OS that the server would run would be Gentoo Linux. I will of course install Apache, SVN, cross-compile GCC and whatever you need on the server for you. Best regards, Fredrik Smedberg (JvA)

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RE: [ros-dev] Moving svn to another contrury or not
by Murphy, Ged (Bolton) 02 Feb '06

02 Feb '06

Rick Langschultz wrote: > I think ReactOS should have no Reverse Engineered code within it. > Reverse Engineering could be bad for the projects publicity and code-base. > I think that reverse engineering of the Microsoft Code is wrong!!! > And if programmers within this project want to reverse engineer they > should start their own projects, with their own names, and use their > own code. How would you like your product(s) to be stolen? It's not wrong, and it's not illegal. If Microsoft provided better documentation for their internal interfaces, then it wouldn't be required. Without reversing to discover how various parts work, ReactOS would struggle to make a fully compatable system. You don't think that writing an operating system to effectively clone the Windows methodologies is wrong, yet you think that reversing various parts to discover how it works is. That doesn't make sense to me. As long as there is no code copying, there is no problem. One person reverses and documents how something works, another person reads the docs and reimplements it. It's just like reading a book. It's no different than dismantling an engine, or a calculator, or a toy to understand how it works. Ged ************************************************************************ The information contained in this message or any of its attachments is confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. The information may also be legally privileged. The views expressed may not be company policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact postmaster(a)exideuk.co.uk <mailto:postmaster@exideuk.co.uk> and then delete this message. Exide Technologies is an industrial and transportation battery producer and recycler with operations in 89 countries. Further information can be found at www.exide.com

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Re: Re: [ros-dev] Moving svn to another contrury or not
by Johannes Olofsson 02 Feb '06

02 Feb '06

Sorry about that, It seems like my mail-client automatically used the same style as the original mail I responded to... Regards Johannes > Från: Alex Buell <alex.buell(a)munted.org.uk> > Till: ReactOS Development List <ros-dev(a)reactos.org> > Rubrik: Re: [ros-dev] Moving svn to another contrury or not > Datum: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:25:18 +0000 > On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:37:24 +0000 (GMT) "Johannes Olofsson" > <johannes_olofsson(a)spray.se> waved a wand and this message magically > appeared: > > Your message was full of html tags. Can you make sure your mailer uses > plain text instead of html. Some of us don't use clients that likes > html, you know. > > -- > <a href=http://www.munted.org.uk>http://www.munted.org.uk</a> > "Honestly, what can I possibly say to get you into my bed?" - Anon. > _______________________________________________ > Ros-dev mailing list > Ros-dev(a)reactos.org > <a > href=http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev>http://www.reactos.org/ > mailman/listinfo/ros-dev</a>

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Life after audit
by Mikhail Y. Zvyozdochkin 02 Feb '06

02 Feb '06

Hi all, Steven Edwards wrote at http://www.reactos.org/xhtml/ru/news_page_14.html: "One final note, this audit of the code is going to take a long time. It could take years, but it will happen, this project will come out better than it was before". Whether means it, what all development will be suspended for the period of audit? I understand necessity of audit, but I am afraid, that in a year the urgency of the project will catastrophically fall, and it will hopelessly lag behind from Microsoft :(. I want, that ReactOS have survived... WBR, DarkHobbit

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Undocumented APIs
by Casper Hornstrup 01 Feb '06

01 Feb '06

I'd like to put this amendment to the IP policy to a vote, but first let's start with the 7 day discussion period. "If an API or a particular behaviour of an API which is part of the Windows(R) operating system is not publicly documented by Microsoft, then the API or the particular behaviour of the API may only be implemented in ReactOS if there is documentation of published software which depend on the API or the particular behaviour of the API, and which is not only distributed with the Windows(R) operating system. The documentation must be available in the repository." I argue that the more ReactOS differ from Windows, the harder it will be to prove that ReactOS is a derivative work of Windows. Med venlig hilsen / best regards Casper Hornstrup Chief Executive Officer @ Eudicon ch(a)eudicon.com / www.eudicon.com (+45) 27 29 36 20

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RE: [ros-dev] Undocumented APIs
by Murphy, Ged (Bolton) 01 Feb '06

01 Feb '06

Casper Hornstrup wrote: > "If an API or a particular behaviour of an API which is part of the > Windows(R) operating system is not publicly documented by > Microsoft, then > the API or the particular behaviour of the API may only be > implemented in > ReactOS if there is documentation of published software which > depend on the > API or the particular behaviour of the API, and which is not only > distributed with the Windows(R) operating system. The > documentation must be > available in the repository." > What if a particular API is required for a particular program to work, but that API is undocumented by both Microsoft and the owner of the said program? Also, what about using code from 3rd parties which might contain undocumented API's, like Wine for instance? Ged. ************************************************************************ The information contained in this message or any of its attachments is confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. The information may also be legally privileged. The views expressed may not be company policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact postmaster(a)exideuk.co.uk <mailto:postmaster@exideuk.co.uk> and then delete this message. Exide Technologies is an industrial and transportation battery producer and recycler with operations in 89 countries. Further information can be found at www.exide.com

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