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Project Status (Haiku Style)
by Rick Langschultz 19 Feb '06

19 Feb '06

Has anyone looked at the Haiku Project lately. There hasn't been much change in status but I do think the status page has a great graph that reactos should implement. http://haiku-os.org/learn.php? mode=status&haikuusersession=80b7ab5450deadb0c18c136376ee33d0

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Fw: change script
by art yerkes 18 Feb '06

18 Feb '06

This is a script you can use to switch your current repository to the new one. It won't save much dl time at this point, but might help. It's experimental, and it might claim that some directories 'already exist'. If so, you have to delete the old version of the directory. Of course, you'll be able to get your diffs out by doing svn diff on those directories beforehand. In any case, use with caution. run like this python change-repo.py <reactos-dir> svn://svn.reactos.com/trunk/reactos svn://svn.reactos.ru/reactos/trunk/reactos 97493ccd-5924-5043-b1f5-66cb403b36ce -- Discordant is the murmur at such treading down of lovely things while god's most lordly gift to man is decency of mind. Call that man only blest who has in sweet tranquility brought his life to close. If only I could act as such, my hope is good. -- Aeschylus' Agamemnon (translated by H. W. Smyth) -- Discordant is the murmur at such treading down of lovely things while god's most lordly gift to man is decency of mind. Call that man only blest who has in sweet tranquility brought his life to close. If only I could act as such, my hope is good. -- Aeschylus' Agamemnon (translated by H. W. Smyth)

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Attention ReactOS Developers -- SVN server
by Aleksey Bragin 18 Feb '06

18 Feb '06

Hello! As for recent changes with SVN repository hosting, the active ReactOS repository now is being placed on svn://svn.reactos.ru/reactos. I thought it would be wise not to copy passwords from the old repository, so All developers with commit access, please send me your exact matching svn commit name (though I can look it up easily of course ;-)) and a password you would like to use in the repository. Right now there is only directory/files moving operations are going, without any features being added or deleted until the voting on files- locks in SVN for non-audited parts will be resolved. This doesn't touch modules which are clean apriori - like rbuild for example. Thank you, Aleksey Bragin.

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RE: [ros-dev] very confused
by rené Tournois 18 Feb '06

18 Feb '06

At 15:11 17/02/2006 -0000, you wrote: I apologize for this second intrusion, but i have some difficulties to really understand this: >Define 'MS code'. If we're talking about leaked source code, then that is >true. But you said elsewhere that there was _no_ leaked source, so that the only problem should be with your next words: >If we're talking about small chunks of assembly from dissasembled MS >binaries, then that is what the audit hopes to uncover and remove. Once the >audit is complete, we can also say we know this to be true, at the moment we >don't know. ... and this one sounds strange to me, because i saw several messages talking in terms of *year* (?!), for the audit. Well, i just downloaded the ReactOS Sources, and searched for all the Files having an "__asm__" Statements inside, after having saved in a dedicated Directory, the folders: bootdata / Drivers / hal / include / lin / media / modules / ntoskrnl / regtests / services / subsys and win32api. I did not considered the other ones because, for example, i suppose that there can be no "problem" with the [apps] Folder. ;) The search of the Files with "_asm_" inside shows only around 80 Files found. Opening several of these Files, shows that the occurencies of "_asm_" seem to be from 1 to, say, 10. Most usually around 2 or 3. It also shows that many of these Statements cannot be any problem. Example: { __asm__("int $3\n\t" : /* no outputs */ : /* no inputs */) } Some other ones, a little bit more significative look like, for example: __asm { mov edx, Port mov edi, Buffer mov ecx, Count cld rep ins byte ptr[edi], dx } ... that do not seem to me big enough for demonstrating anything, particulary not for a so trivial code... Not considering that most of the ones i saw, were simple LOCK or INT instructions, and the like, that do not even diserve a reading. I did not search inside _all_ files, but i had to search inside many, (say, 1/3), before i could point out an Asm Routine with more than 10 Instructions... I stopped there, because i said to me that it was stupid to read that way, and that i was possibly missing the Files of real interrest for the Audit. But all i have seen does not explain to me, how it could ever take one year for proof-reading so few, and so small, "__asm__" statements. What am i missing? Betov. < http://rosasm.org >

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very confused
by theUser BL 17 Feb '06

17 Feb '06

Hi! I am now very confused. It seems for me, that the current informations about ReactOS´s situation is poor. And if there existing informations, they are IMHO contradictorily. On 27.1.2006 Steven Edwards wrote "Reset, Reboot, Restart, legal issues and the long road to 0.3" http://www.reactos.org/xhtml/de/news_page_14.html In this text there is no word about leaked Windows-code. So it seems, that the main problem is revers engineering, which is not clean room rev. eng. One day later a developer says in the forum http://www.reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=13239&highlight=#13239 "The biggest problem isn't disassembled code. The fact is that 4 of the developers have had a copy of the leaked Windows source." So, the biggest problem is, that some ROS-developer have looked in leaked code. He have said that, and nobody have contradicted it. But at http://www.reactos.org/archives/public/ros-dev/2006-February/007832.html a developer says to me "The leaked source code was never an issue here, that was an escalation of the mail which was posted on the public list. The rumours which materialized from that were unfounded and untrue." and the cvs tree will be completly re-opend. In an other mail, I don't find it at the moment, anybody says, that there is still no Microsoft-Code found in ROS. All is clean. On the following http://www.reactos.org/pipermail/ros-dev/2006-February/007717.html a developer says "I am told that the sources for FreeLdr are all okay, except for the some of the bootsectors having been pretty much just disassembled from MS's. Is this true?" The answer comes from an other developer http://www.reactos.org/pipermail/ros-dev/2006-February/007722.html "crashfourit has posted a patch here:" That means, that it is possible, that MS-bootsector-code have found the way in ROS, if I understood it right. And at http://www.reactos.org/archives/public/ros-general/2006-February/002128.html somebody cite something where a Codewaever chef says, that in ROS is stolen code. I have at the current no links, but I have the feeling, that there existing a lot of more comments like these, which me all confused very much. And then ReactOS gives for me more questions then answers. What does the Audit-process mean? You have - as somebody says - already seen, that no Windows-Code is in ReactOS. But you want with the audit look for code, which are integrated by (not clean room) reverse engineering. But how do you want to find it? The clean room inverse enginering is like re-writing an existing book, without reading the existing book itself. Only reading review, critiques and summaries about the book are alowed to read. But there existing some people who have reverse enginered, but not clean room. This is like someone, who have completly read the book itself and tries to write the book what he read then down in mind. But how do you want to become out, who have read the original book and who not? Steve Edwars have written "and the long road to 0.3". Is it still true, that it needs now longer, until 0.3 comes out? The tree will already be opend. Does it mean, that 0.3 comes only after the end of the audit-progess out? If this is true, comes then before the end of the audit other releases out (0.2.10, 0.2.11, .... etc) ? You see. I am very confused. I don't expect that you answer to my mail here. I only want, that your public clarification, http://www.reactos.org/archives/public/ros-dev/2006-February/007832.html Murphy have written "The whole tree will be reopened in the state it was in before it closed. More details will follow when this happens.", will really clarify all. So that no longer confuseness for anyone exists. Greatings theuserbl

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RE: [ros-dev] very confused
by Murphy, Ged (Bolton) 17 Feb '06

17 Feb '06

theUser BL wrote: > I am now very confused. I'll try and clear some other areas up for you. I don't have web access at the moment, so I am only going off what you have pasted under the links. > On 27.1.2006 Steven Edwards wrote "Reset, Reboot, Restart, > legal issues and > the long road to 0.3" > http://www.reactos.org/xhtml/de/news_page_14.html > > In this text there is no word about leaked Windows-code. So > it seems, that > the main problem is revers engineering, which is not clean > room rev. eng. Correct. > One day later a developer says in the forum > http://www.reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=13239&highlight=#13239 > "The biggest problem isn't disassembled code. The fact is > that 4 of the > developers have had a copy of the leaked Windows source." > > So, the biggest problem is, that some ROS-developer have > looked in leaked > code. This isn't much of a problem, the problem is the integrity / validity of our code. i.e. how was the information to write the code obtained. See above. > But at > http://www.reactos.org/archives/public/ros-dev/2006-February/0 > 07832.html > a developer says to me > "The leaked source code was never an issue here, that was an > escalation of > the mail which was posted on the public list. The rumours > which materialized > from that were unfounded and untrue." Correct. > In an other mail, I don't find it at the moment, anybody > says, that there is > still no Microsoft-Code found in ROS. All is clean. Define 'MS code'. If we're talking about leaked source code, then that is true. If we're talking about small chunks of assembly from dissasembled MS binaries, then that is what the audit hopes to uncover and remove. Once the audit is complete, we can also say we know this to be true, at the moment we don't know. > On the following > http://www.reactos.org/pipermail/ros-dev/2006-February/007717.html > a developer says > "I am told that the sources for FreeLdr are all okay, except for the > some of the bootsectors having been pretty much just disassembled from > MS's. Is this true?" > The answer comes from an other developer > http://www.reactos.org/pipermail/ros-dev/2006-February/007722.html > "crashfourit has posted a patch here:" > > That means, that it is possible, that MS-bootsector-code have > found the way > in ROS, if I understood it right. This code hasn't been audited yet. It's possible that parts of the bootsector have been derrived from an MS dissasembly. The audit will reveal the answer, and it will be rewritten if nessesary. > And at > http://www.reactos.org/archives/public/ros-general/2006-Februa > ry/002128.html > somebody cite something where a Codewaever chef says, that in > ROS is stolen > code. Incorrect. There is no stolen code in ROS and more than there is stolen code in Wine. > And then ReactOS gives for me more questions then answers. > > What does the Audit-process mean? It means all suspect code will be proof-read and documentation must be made available to prove it's validity. If not, the will be either rewritten, docs written or removed dependant on the circumstances. > You have - as somebody says - already seen, that no > Windows-Code is in > ReactOS. > But you want with the audit look for code, which are > integrated by (not > clean room) reverse engineering. > But how do you want to find it? Any code that is questionable. i.e. a reason cannot be found as to why it is included. I agree it's difficult to tell what is clean room and what it not. As KJK said, if we don't question it's validity as all appears well, then it would be up to a 3rd party to proove otherwise. > Steve Edwars have written "and the long road to 0.3". Is it > still true, that > it needs now longer, until 0.3 comes out? The tree will > already be opend. > Does it mean, that 0.3 comes only after the end of the > audit-progess out? If > this is true, comes then before the end of the audit other > releases out > (0.2.10, 0.2.11, .... etc) ? Decisions on new policies havn't been reached yet. It's true that it is still a long road. The audit is still going to happen, it's just that we're doing it in a slightly different way now. It is hoped that this new method will ensure the project stays alive during the audit. > You see. I am very confused. I hope that cleared some things up for you. > http://www.reactos.org/archives/public/ros-dev/2006-February/007832.html > Murphy have written "The whole tree will be reopened in the state it was in > before it closed. > More details will follow when this happens.", will really clarify all. So > that no longer confuseness for anyone exists. The current vote will decide the outcome of that. There are currently 2 options. Read the mail entitled 'Vote: Code Auditing' for more details. Regards, Ged. ************************************************************************ The information contained in this message or any of its attachments is confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. The information may also be legally privileged. The views expressed may not be company policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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Re: [ros-dev] very confused
by rené Tournois 17 Feb '06

17 Feb '06

At 20:21 17/02/2006 +0100, you wrote: >I think this only applies to the bootsector, wich has asm directly taken >from disassemblies in it. Ah. Then it should be the [Boot] sector. I see 5 files in there, with asm statements. Only one could be a problem, that is named "longhorm.h". 52,000 Bytes long // 105 "_asm__". Outchhhh... But did not another guy said that there was a possibility of complete replacement? And, if i miss-undertood, or if not possible, would it take one year for proof-reading 52,000 bytes of C Source? >I think what Ged was talking about was disassemblies converted into C. >And this can be found by looking for typical things of that kind of code: >- Magical number inside C code. Normally constants are used or the >numbers are commented or really obvios. But when you don't know why >there's a constant 0x2342 then you don't really know how to call it. In >disc.c there's a constant called PARTITION_MAGIC ;-) >- excessive gotos: You would normally not use any gotos, but it can be >hard to identify complex structures of for, if, while,... inside asm >code, so you do it like it's done in asm: with gotos. It doesn't look >good, but it works. Ah! C simulating Assembly and hard coded unknown numbers... OK, i see the problem better, with these points, as long as there is really a _lot_ of Files with "goto"s inside, and i can imagine how sorting all of these out, might be a boring task. But this was not, at all, what was first said. Thanks for the explanations. Betov.

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RE: [ros-dev] Re: Vote: code auditing
by Dann B. Smith 17 Feb '06

17 Feb '06

Which is why I stated a couple weeks ago thaqt politics has NO place in an engineering project. At all. Ever. -----Original Message----- From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.org [mailto:ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org] On Behalf Of mf Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 1:55 AM To: ReactOS Development List Subject: [ros-dev] Re: Vote: code auditing Brandon Turner wrote: > That was the orginal plan, and we just voted against it. > > Brandon > That's the idea with politics, you amend a proposal until the original purpose of the proposal is completely reverted, and you end up with a new set of useless silly rules with possible flaws, loopholes etc. If you can't get people to accept something, just confuse them with even more proposed rules, preferably vague but essentially the same as what they originally voted against. mf _______________________________________________ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev(a)reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

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RE: [ros-dev] very confused
by Murphy, Ged (Bolton) 17 Feb '06

17 Feb '06

Murphy, Ged (Bolton) wrote: > Incorrect. There is no stolen code in ROS and more than there > is stolen code in Wine. Sorry, that should read 'There is no stolen code in ROS _any_ more than there is stolen code in Wine. ************************************************************************ The information contained in this message or any of its attachments is confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. The information may also be legally privileged. The views expressed may not be company policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact postmaster(a)exideuk.co.uk <mailto:postmaster@exideuk.co.uk> and then delete this message. Exide Technologies is an industrial and transportation battery producer and recycler with operations in 89 countries. Further information can be found at www.exide.com

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RE: [ros-dev] very confused
by Murphy, Ged (Bolton) 17 Feb '06

17 Feb '06

theUser BL wrote: > But at > http://www.reactos.org/archives/public/ros-dev/2006-February/007832.html > a developer says to me > "The leaked source code was never an issue here, that was an escalation of > the mail which was posted on the public list. The rumours which materialized > from that were unfounded and untrue." > and the cvs tree will be completly re-opend. IIRC, it was me who said that. What I mean by that is that none of the leaked Windows source code has ever found it's way into ReactOS. Many people thought that was the case, but they were wrong. Ged. ************************************************************************ The information contained in this message or any of its attachments is confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. The information may also be legally privileged. The views expressed may not be company policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact postmaster(a)exideuk.co.uk <mailto:postmaster@exideuk.co.uk> and then delete this message. Exide Technologies is an industrial and transportation battery producer and recycler with operations in 89 countries. Further information can be found at www.exide.com

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