>The only consolation I can give you is that the old tree will be restored
>somewhere as per the vote. From there auditing should take place.
That would be nice.
If you restore the old cvs-tree, before the Windows-code leaked (ca. 7. Feb.
2003) and before the people who have readed the code joined ReactOS, then
there existing legal ReactOS-code, which you can published.
That is what is needed!
At the moment you have deleted all. There existing no longer any code. The
look at the future is to look behind, which code can be let in and which
not.
But if you publish old code, then there is a point from which on the
ReactOS-developer - like Richard - can again developing forward.
Greatings
theuserbl
At 10:20 16/02/2006 -0000, you wrote:
>It is inevitable that as a project grows in size and popularity, it also
>becomes much more political. [...]
>
>There is no getting away from the fact that politics would eventually
>emerge, it was going to happen some day.
I am a lurker, here. I started a GPLed project -completely outside
ReactOS, but conditioned to the existence of ReactoS- the first day
i heard of the ReactOS Project. In other words, i work _for_ reactOS
Environment, and not _for_ Windows, and along all of these years of
developments (I started in 1998), i always took a particular care of
locking my own work, so that it could not be extended and re-used,
in case the ReactOS Project would collapse.
I am used to not post anything, here, as long as i consider that,
as i do not contribute to anything in the ReactOS developments, i
just have the right to shut-up and thank for having the right for
reading. Nevertheless, with the actual events, it seems to me that,
we -the external lurkers- have natural rights to be informed about
the _real_ political and ethical concerns.
I have seen enough of such scaring horrors, like Anti-GPL, and/or
Right-Wing guys, contributing to ReactOS, to understand the reasons
why the true words were not said, but, at this point, i really would
like to know where the things are going to, and if a dissident Project
is to be started, the correct political and ethical way, or if the
same Project is taking a correct path, i would like to see, at least,
a "White Paper" for it. Having seen volunnteers saying that "using
GPLed-compatible Dev-Tools was not a necessity" (Hyperion, if i recall
well), or pure horrors like "In the future we may have collaborations
with MicroSoft" (Alex, taking publicly the defense of a Neo-Nazi,
against... me -???!!!...-), for example, are things that made me
really sea-sick.
Personaly, i am not interrested with knowing if unfair Code was
implemented or not (knowing of the individual, this is not any
surprise to me, by the way). What i wish to know is:
Will the political and ethical lessons be understood? Or not?
[By the way, the simple fact of having to ask such a question,
about such an important GPLed Project, like what ReactOS is,
is already a pure scandal to me: I shouldn't even have to ask]
Betov.
< http://rosasm.org >
Rick Langschultz wrote
> It seems that many people want to give up the project, which would be
> a total loss of time and energy of those who have spent many hours
> and money on the project.
I agree that it has looked like that on occasions, however I assure you that
is not the case :)
It is inevitable that as a project grows in size and popularity, it also
becomes much more political. There is no avoiding the fact that the ReactOS
of today is a very different environment from what it was. This change leads
to many of the original developers viewing the project of losing the aspect
of fun which it used to have. As a consequence, many are leaving the project
which, is a sad and unfortunate outcome.
There is no getting away from the fact that politics would eventually
emerge, it was going to happen some day. All big project have this barrier
to battle with, and that day has arrived ReactOS too. However with project
growth bringing the unfortunate addition of politics, it also brings the
welcome addition of excitement and maturity. End users now have something to
try out, we even have firefox and thinderbird running now :-D
This level of maturity should ensure the survival of ReactOS, even if there
are huge mountains to climb every so often.
Hope that raises a few spirits, keep your eye on ReactOS this weekend ;)
Ged.
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> We seem to be a ship that is taking on water.
We are hopefully about to hit a turning point and put things back on track.
The project has been completely lost and in the dark for the past few weeks,
but we are starting to find the light now.
I'm looking forward to this weekend ;)
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Subject: Freeze every module in svn until it got audited
Proposed by: Maarten Bosma / Art Yerkes
Days of discussion: 7 (started 09.02.2006)
Days of voting: 7 (starting in 24 hours from now - 16.02.2006 20:00 GMT)
Proposal: Do not allow changes to a module until it got audited.
Options: [ ] Accept proposal [ ] Do not accept [ ] Further Discussion
Remarks: I took the first appearance of the idea as beginning of discussion.
Hi people,
Im using Freeldr to boot up my entire system since I tried ReactOS.
I installed it on a diskette in the past and it would be a great thing
if I could migrate it to the hard disk.
Since the old SVN isnt online anymore, I dont have access to the commandline installer.
Do you plan to put it back into the SVN later,
and if not, could you tell me where I can find it ?
Kind regards,
Sylvain Petreolle (aka Usurp)
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Tired of a proprietary Windows on your computer ?
Use free ReactOS instead ( http://www.reactos.org )
Perhaps this is now the time to move it to the Swedish servers as suggested
by JvA
-----Original Message-----
From: Ge van Geldorp [mailto:gvg@reactos.org]
Sent: 15 February 2006 11:27
To: 'ReactOS Development List'
Cc: 'Casper Hornstrup'
Subject: [ros-dev] FW: Repository hosting
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Casper Hornstrup [mailto:ch@eudicon.com]
> Sent: 13. februar 2006 18:06
> To: 'ReactOS Development List'
> Subject: Repository hosting
>
> Hi.
>
> I've decided not to host the ReactOS Subversion repository beyond
> March 31st 2006. That gives you up to ~6 weeks to find a new place to
> host it. I will send the repositories (both new and old) to the person
> who will host the repository in the future. Please contact me when you
> want this done.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Casper Hornstrup [mailto:ch@eudicon.com]
> Sent: 13. februar 2006 18:06
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> Subject: Repository hosting
>
> Hi.
>
> I've decided not to host the ReactOS Subversion repository beyond
> March 31st 2006. That gives you up to ~6 weeks to find a new place to
> host it. I will send the repositories (both new and old) to the person
> who will host the repository in the future. Please contact me when you
> want this done.
>
> P.S. Please CC me directly as I'm not subscribed to this list.
>
> Med venlig hilsen / best regards
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I am writing a file system for personal development use for reactos.
I want to take a poll about what File System features that ReactOS
would like to implement in its distribution. Are there any features
out there that ReactOS developers like to implement in ReactOS. I
want to model the file system on NTFS but i have been looking at
Sun's ZFS and think that it would be a great File System for React...
Another thing... How is the code audit going?
Hi!
I'm probably a non-person to most people here. This is my first foray
into the mailing list as a submitter.
If I may say a few things:
First: No one has a RIGHT to anything. Mailing lists, archives,
whatever. You only have whatever options the originators of IP or code
decide to give.
Second: For a fully open source project, private lists are Bad News.
While they do allow sensitive ideas to be discussed in a more informal
setting, they also give the options to have high-level decisions to be
made without any community support. I've seen it saidf in this list
that the "private" list developers talk abut things that don't affect
other developers. WRONG! Anything that the "primary" developers talk
about affects the entire development community. Otherwise, there's no
reason to duscuss it at all.
Third: While reverse engineering may be legal in Europe, it's only
legal in certain circumstances in the US. Open source projects tend to
be world-wide in scope. Thus, the most restrictive of laws MUST be
applied so that no legal boundaries are crossed. In this case, it looks
like the US has laws that do not exist elsewhere. Likewise, the US has
one of the largest "markets" for software, so the US can't be discounted
unless we wish to develop a Europe-only OS. Thus, no matter what, we
have to follow the restrictive US laws on reverse engineering. Despite
any personal feelings, laws must be upheld.
Fourth: Re: dirty laundry. This is almost a non-starter. Yes, some
things were said that caused a bit of an uproar. Yes, the project is
being held up in some respects. On the other hand, we have enough
people here who care enough to give voice to their opinions AND who care
enough to see the project succeed that the idea that "dirty laundry"
being aired in public being a bad thing is absurd. The results say
otherwise. Politics has NO place in an engineering project. None.
Ever. Don't let the idea of politics creep in and kill an otherwise
wonderful thing.
Fifth: Personal attacks here are without doubt, worthless. This is a
list for developers, coders, and engineers. To call someone's attitude
ridiculous goes right back into my previous statement about politics.
Sixth: I would like to thank you all for reading my post, whether you
agree or not. In the end, I speak for no one but myself, and you can
take what I say however you want.
Dann Smith
Dallas, TX, US
-----Original Message-----
From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.org [mailto:ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org]
On Behalf Of Rick Langschultz
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 6:27 PM
To: ReactOS Development List
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] What Happened
Don't get me wrong, reactos is a great programming idea. The way some
people do things is not necessarily what the community would want. As a
long term web developer I had an interest in VFS implementation of NTFS
over FAT or other filesystem. Creating a private mailing list not
available to the community restricts information from getting to
developers that want to continue to develop reactos, whether they commit
or not. Everyone has the right to develop what they think ReactOS needs.
Personally I think ReactOS needs stable Networking, a more stable and
secure filesystem, and service implementation. I also think that
building a universal install disk would be great -- install on PowerPC,
intel, arm, all on one cd would be great. I am not willing to give up on
programming projects so I will continue developing code, but when the
audit is complete I just hope 99% of the community is there to back
ReactOS up...
On Feb 8, 2006, at 4:05 PM, Ged Murphy wrote:
> Rick Langschultz wrote:
>> "The ReactOS(r) project is dedicated to making Free Software
>> available to everyone by providing a ground-up implementation of a
>> Microsoft Windows(r) XP compatible operating system." Why not say I
>> am sorry ReactOS is off limits to you, the community, because people
>> steal, cheat and lie. It is said that good programmers steal code,
>> and great programmers know whose code to steal...
>> Stealing M$ code is obviously not the wisest choice...
>>
>> I will continue to develop my own personal ReactOS code but I don't
>> think I will contribute it to ReactOS. My implementation of the NT
>> VFS over FAT will be rolled into a new project. And be able to be
>> downloaded by ROS developers and community members.
>>
>> Ridiculous...
>
> As is your attitude ...
>
> The ReactOS developers have spent thousands upon thousands of hours
> writing a free operating system for the world to use.
> It has become so large now, that the inner workings are becoming
> business like, and measures must be put into place to deal with this.
> If you can't accept that developers need a place where they can
> discuss topics, have arguments and sort out issues, out of the public
> eye then that's your problem. I'm positive Linux and BSD have
> somewhere where developers can discuss issues, as do most other large
> (and even small) projects Maybe we should take minutes of any
> telephone conversations we have and post those too?
>
> I for one am glad you won't be committing any code. You attitude
> sounds like it would generate more problems than it's worth.
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