I want to develop the kernel of ReactOS, how do i join????

[Xiaoming Gao]

Hi guys:
   I have read the linux kernel code and part of the leaked winnt source
code,and i want to join the developing of ReactOS kernel,how can i join??

[Gabriel ilardi]

You can't.

Developing ReactOS
It's very simple to get involved with the development of ReactOS. The development team members are not part of some exclusive club with strict policies, so getting your code into the ReactOS codebase is straightforward. The only prerequisite is that you have not had access to Microsoft source code for the area you would be interested in working on. This includes any route in which you may have been exposed, whether it be via some student program or through illegally downloading leaked MS source code. Having viewed the source deems you as being tainted, and as such you may hinder the legality of the source which the ReactOS teams enforces every effort to keep clean.

If like most developers, the above doesn't apply to you, consider yourself clean and eligible to write code for ReactOS.
> From here: http://www.reactos.org/en/dev_start.html

Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 22:43:16 +0800
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: [ros-dev] I want to develop the kernel of ReactOS, how do i join????

Hi guys:
   I have read the linux kernel code and part of the leaked winnt source code,and i want to join the developing of ReactOS kernel,how can i join??

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[Xiaoming Gao]

oh......
just because i have read the winnt code...oh....what a pity......

[magnus johnsson]

Pardon me for intruding, but couldn't he develop on some part of the
code that he hasn't read about in the nt code?

2009/5/16 Xiaoming Gao [e-mail]:
> oh......
> just because i have read the winnt code...oh....what a pity......
>
> Ros-dev mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

[Matthias Kupfer]

Hi,
> Hi guys:
>    I have read the linux kernel code and part of the leaked winnt source
> code,and i want to join the developing of ReactOS kernel,how can i join??

start with submitting patches for reactos (in your case: especially the 
kernel) via bugzilla. If your patches get accepted you will get write access 
and become a "full" developer. If you need further information join 
irc-channel #reactos and ask an Op.

Best regards

Matthias
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Wilhelm-Firl-Straße 21   mobile [phone]
09122 Chemnitz, Germany

[Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo]

"in your case: especially the kernel"

err, im not dev, but i would say just the opposite, since the kernel is the
part he has seen leaked code...

On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Matthias Kupfer [e-mail]:
> Hi,
> > Hi guys:
> >    I have read the linux kernel code and part of the leaked winnt source
> > code,and i want to join the developing of ReactOS kernel,how can i join??
>
> start with submitting patches for reactos (in your case: especially the
> kernel) via bugzilla. If your patches get accepted you will get write
> access
> and become a "full" developer. If you need further information join
> irc-channel #reactos and ask an Op.
>
> Best regards
>
> Matthias
>
> --
> Matthias Kupfer          phone [phone]
> Wilhelm-Firl-Straße 21   mobile [phone]
> 09122 Chemnitz, Germany
>
> Ros-dev mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

[Matthias Kupfer]

> "in your case: especially the kernel"
>
> err, im not dev, but i would say just the opposite, since the kernel is the
> part he has seen leaked code...

Okay, to make something clear, I didn't want to say we are interested in 
leaked or any other Microsoft-code, but I think if you have seen such code 
(some time ago) it's not a reason to be excluded from development in general. 
I have to make clear, that we (and me too) don't accept code from suspicious 
or unknown sources and we respect copyrights of course. If you follow the 
developing guidelines then we all will not run into problems related to 
the "intellectual-property-rights-mine-field".

Sorry for any missunderstanding

Matthias
-- 
Matthias Kupfer          phone [phone]
Wilhelm-Firl-Straße 21   mobile [phone]
09122 Chemnitz, Germany

[Aleksey Bragin]

Hi,
thanks for being honest, but I must say that our policy prohibits  
usage of illegal materials in development process.

This is for the future of the project - we don't want to be accused  
in IP violations. Even one stupid joke of a former developer from a  
few years ago damaged the project and its perception so much that  
it's been a hell to recover.

With the best regards,
Aleksey Bragin.

On May 16, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Xiaoming Gao wrote:
> Hi guys:
>    I have read the linux kernel code and part of the leaked winnt  
> source code,and i want to join the developing of ReactOS kernel,how  
> can i join??

[Dmitry Gorbachev]

So, can he develop something completely unrelated?

[Zachary Gorden]

He'd need to demonstrate that whatever he developed, the reason for what his
code does can be tracked to available documentation, not the leaked source
code.

[Colin Finck]

In any case, people may still write documentation based on their knowledge
of Windows internals.
This can later be used by another developer to reimplement a compatible
equivalent. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_room_design for more
details.

Best regards,

Colin

[Michael Martin]

This is treading on thin ice.

In my opinion, anyone having admitted to having accessed MS source code
should not be allowed to write code for ReactOS and should never get
commit access.
Working on something not related to the source someone has seen, should still be a no go.
As this will still increase the perception out there that ROS is tainted.

And from my experienced of life in general, perception = reality, whether its true or not.

Mike

Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:09:00 -0500
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] I want to develop the kernel of ReactOS,	how do i 	join????

He'd need to demonstrate that whatever he developed, the reason for what his code does can be tracked to available documentation, not the leaked source code.

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[Ged]

I agree with Mike's stance on this.

Access to any MS source means no access to reactos.

I think this point needs to be discussed and cemented as no one really seems
to know what the official stance on this topic is anymore.

Ged.

From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On
Behalf Of Michael Martin
Sent: 16 May 2009 23:10
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] I want to develop the kernel of ReactOS, how do i
join????

This is treading on thin ice.
In my opinion, anyone having admitted to having accessed MS source code
should not be allowed to write code for ReactOS and should never get commit
access.
Working on something not related to the source someone has seen, should
still be a no go.
As this will still increase the perception out there that ROS is tainted.
And from my experienced of life in general, perception = reality, whether
its true or not.

Mike

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Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:09:00 -0500
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] I want to develop the kernel of ReactOS, how do i
join????

He'd need to demonstrate that whatever he developed, the reason for what his
code does can be tracked to available documentation, not the leaked source
code.

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[Gabriel ilardi]

Ged +1

Mike +1

Absolutely agreed.

From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 12:38:57 +0100
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] I want to develop the kernel of ReactOS, how do i join????

I agree with Mike’s stance on this.
Access to any MS source means no access to reactos.

I think this point needs to be discussed and cemented as no one really seems to know what the official stance on this topic is anymore.

Ged.

From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Michael Martin
Sent: 16 May 2009 23:10
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] I want to develop the kernel of ReactOS, how do i join????

This is treading on thin ice.
In my opinion, anyone having admitted to having accessed MS source code should not be allowed to write code for ReactOS and should never get commit access.
Working on something not related to the source someone has seen, should still be a no go.
As this will still increase the perception out there that ROS is tainted.
And from my experienced of life in general, perception = reality, whether its true or not.

Mike

Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:09:00 -0500
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] I want to develop the kernel of ReactOS, how do i join????

He'd need to demonstrate that whatever he developed, the reason for what his code does can be tracked to available documentation, not the leaked source code.

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[Daniel Reimer]

Gabriel ilardi wrote:
> Ged +1
> Mike +1
>
> Absolutely agreed.
>
> From: [e-mail]
> To: [e-mail]
> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 12:38:57 +0100
> Subject: Re: [ros-dev] I want to develop the kernel of ReactOS, how do 
> i join????
>
> I agree with Mike’s stance on this.
>
> Access to any MS source means no access to reactos.
>
> I think this point needs to be discussed and cemented as no one really 
> seems to know what the official stance on this topic is anymore.
>
> Ged.
>
> *From:* [e-mail] 
> [mailto:[e-mail]] *On Behalf Of *Michael Martin
> *Sent:* 16 May 2009 23:10
> *To:* [e-mail]
> *Subject:* Re: [ros-dev] I want to develop the kernel of ReactOS, how 
> do i join????
>
> This is treading on thin ice.
> In my opinion, anyone having admitted to having accessed MS source 
> code should not be allowed to write code for ReactOS and should never 
> get commit access.
> Working on something not related to the source someone has seen, 
> should still be a no go.
> As this will still increase the perception out there that ROS is tainted.
> And from my experienced of life in general, perception = reality, 
> whether its true or not.
>
> Mike
>
> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:09:00 -0500
> From: [e-mail]
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: [ros-dev] I want to develop the kernel of ReactOS, how do 
> i join????
>
> He'd need to demonstrate that whatever he developed, the reason for 
> what his code does can be tracked to available documentation, not the 
> leaked source code.
>
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> out. 
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I just rephrased what I was told to the time of the audit. So don't 
blame me ;-)

[Alex Ionescu]

I don't know what kind of crack you guys (except Ged and Aleksey) are on.

Also, sorry for sounding arrogant, but what the hell do some random ML
subscribers and project testers have to do in responding to an
official request? Who are you to give this guy advice and give your
opinions on wether or not you "think" that he should or should not
commit.

The rules (and again, since people seem to forget this, they ARE
rules, and they ARE documented) prohibit development of any ReactOS
code if you've seen MS source. That includes "advice" and
"documentation". The only exceptions are things like the WRK, where a
student has signed an agreement with MS to view only a specific part
of the OS kernel. That student can then commit code to say, shell32,
or the font viewer, or even win32k.sys. However, someone who has
ILLEGALLY commited IP theft, and, additionally, seen a source code
base that encompasses the ENTIRE NT tree (winnt source leaks even have
the CRT and boot loader in there, and the linker, nothing is safe!)
needs to stay as far away from this project as possible.
Best regards,
Alex Ionescu

On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Daniel Reimer <
[e-mail]> wrote:
> Gabriel ilardi wrote:
> > Ged +1
> > Mike +1
> >
> > Absolutely agreed.
> >
> > From: [e-mail]
> > To: [e-mail]
> > Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 12:38:57 +0100
> > Subject: Re: [ros-dev] I want to develop the kernel of ReactOS, how do
> > i join????
> >
> > I agree with Mike’s stance on this.
> >
> > Access to any MS source means no access to reactos.
> >
> > I think this point needs to be discussed and cemented as no one really
> > seems to know what the official stance on this topic is anymore.
> >
> > Ged.
> >
> > *From:* [e-mail]
> > [mailto:[e-mail]] *On Behalf Of *Michael Martin
> > *Sent:* 16 May 2009 23:10
> > *To:* [e-mail]
> > *Subject:* Re: [ros-dev] I want to develop the kernel of ReactOS, how
> > do i join????
> >
> > This is treading on thin ice.
> > In my opinion, anyone having admitted to having accessed MS source
> > code should not be allowed to write code for ReactOS and should never
> > get commit access.
> > Working on something not related to the source someone has seen,
> > should still be a no go.
> > As this will still increase the perception out there that ROS is tainted.
> > And from my experienced of life in general, perception = reality,
> > whether its true or not.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:09:00 -0500
> > From: [e-mail]
> > To: [e-mail]
> > Subject: Re: [ros-dev] I want to develop the kernel of ReactOS, how do
> > i join????
> >
> > He'd need to demonstrate that whatever he developed, the reason for
> > what his code does can be tracked to available documentation, not the
> > leaked source code.
> >
> > Hotmail® has a new way to see what's up with your friends. Check it
> > out.
> > <
>
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> >
> > Ros-dev mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>
> I just rephrased what I was told to the time of the audit. So don't
> blame me ;-)
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[Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo]

i was just giving an opinion, but i guess you are right, Alex...
Sorry

On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Alex Ionescu [e-mail] wrote:
> I don't know what kind of crack you guys (except Ged and Aleksey) are on.
>
> Also, sorry for sounding arrogant, but what the hell do some random ML
> subscribers and project testers have to do in responding to an
> official request? Who are you to give this guy advice and give your
> opinions on wether or not you "think" that he should or should not
> commit.
>
> The rules (and again, since people seem to forget this, they ARE
> rules, and they ARE documented) prohibit development of any ReactOS
> code if you've seen MS source. That includes "advice" and
> "documentation". The only exceptions are things like the WRK, where a
> student has signed an agreement with MS to view only a specific part
> of the OS kernel. That student can then commit code to say, shell32,
> or the font viewer, or even win32k.sys. However, someone who has
> ILLEGALLY commited IP theft, and, additionally, seen a source code
> base that encompasses the ENTIRE NT tree (winnt source leaks even have
> the CRT and boot loader in there, and the linker, nothing is safe!)
> needs to stay as far away from this project as possible.
> Best regards,
> Alex Ionescu
>
> On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Daniel Reimer <
> [e-mail]> wrote:
> > Gabriel ilardi wrote:
> > > Ged +1
> > > Mike +1
> > >
> > > Absolutely agreed.
> > >
> > > From: [e-mail]
> > > To: [e-mail]
> > > Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 12:38:57 +0100
> > > Subject: Re: [ros-dev] I want to develop the kernel of ReactOS, how do
> > > i join????
> > >
> > > I agree with Mike’s stance on this.
> > >
> > > Access to any MS source means no access to reactos.
> > >
> > > I think this point needs to be discussed and cemented as no one really
> > > seems to know what the official stance on this topic is anymore.
> > >
> > > Ged.
> > >
> > > *From:* [e-mail]
> > > [mailto:[e-mail]] *On Behalf Of *Michael Martin
> > > *Sent:* 16 May 2009 23:10
> > > *To:* [e-mail]
> > > *Subject:* Re: [ros-dev] I want to develop the kernel of ReactOS, how
> > > do i join????
> > >
> > > This is treading on thin ice.
> > > In my opinion, anyone having admitted to having accessed MS source
> > > code should not be allowed to write code for ReactOS and should never
> > > get commit access.
> > > Working on something not related to the source someone has seen,
> > > should still be a no go.
> > > As this will still increase the perception out there that ROS is
> >
> > tainted.
> > > And from my experienced of life in general, perception = reality,
> > > whether its true or not.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:09:00 -0500
> > > From: [e-mail]
> > > To: [e-mail]
> > > Subject: Re: [ros-dev] I want to develop the kernel of ReactOS, how do
> > > i join????
> > >
> > > He'd need to demonstrate that whatever he developed, the reason for
> > > what his code does can be tracked to available documentation, not the
> > > leaked source code.
> > >
> > > Hotmail® has a new way to see what's up with your friends. Check it
> > > out.
> > > <
> >
> > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutori...
> > > Chiamate gratis da PC a PC? Provale da Messenger!
> > > http://messenger.it/videoconversazioni.aspx
> > >
> > > Ros-dev mailing list
> > > [e-mail]
> > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> >
> > I just rephrased what I was told to the time of the audit. So don't
> > blame me ;-)
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[Gabriel ilardi]

Since you've replied after my mail I guess you're referring to me too so let me say:

1) I don't do drugs, how about you?
2) See what some ReactOS developers answered to the mail and you'll know what "clear" means.
3) I personally didn't give an advice but simply stated what the offical site said about it.
4) I could simply not respond to that email, but since there have been some unpleasant situations in the past because of this
kind of misunderstandings I felt the need to state what the official project said in its own site.
5) All I did was in the hope of making the project better, this mail included, as everything I do here since I joined this project many years ago.

With best regards
Gabriel ilardi.

Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 16:01:14 +0200
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] I want to develop the kernel of ReactOS,	how do i 	join????

I don't know what kind of crack you guys (except Ged and Aleksey) are on.

Also, sorry for sounding arrogant, but what the hell do some random ML
subscribers and project testers have to do in responding to an

official request? Who are you to give this guy advice and give your
opinions on wether or not you "think" that he should or should not
commit.

The rules (and again, since people seem to forget this, they ARE

rules, and they ARE documented) prohibit development of any ReactOS
code if you've seen MS source. That includes "advice" and
"documentation". The only exceptions are things like the WRK, where a

student has signed an agreement with MS to view only a specific part
of the OS kernel. That student can then commit code to say, shell32,
or the font viewer, or even win32k.sys. However, someone who has
ILLEGALLY commited IP theft, and, additionally, seen a source code

base that encompasses the ENTIRE NT tree (winnt source leaks even have
the CRT and boot loader in there, and the linker, nothing is safe!)
needs to stay as far away from this project as possible.
Best regards,
Alex Ionescu

On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Daniel Reimer [e-mail] wrote:

Gabriel ilardi wrote:
> Ged +1
> Mike +1
>
> Absolutely agreed.
>
>
> From: [e-mail]
> To: [e-mail]
> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 12:38:57 +0100
> Subject: Re: [ros-dev] I want to develop the kernel of ReactOS, how do
> i join????
>
> I agree with Mike’s stance on this.
>
> Access to any MS source means no access to reactos.
>
> I think this point needs to be discussed and cemented as no one really
> seems to know what the official stance on this topic is anymore.
>
> Ged.
>
> *From:* [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]] *On Behalf Of *Michael Martin
> *Sent:* 16 May 2009 23:10
> *To:* [e-mail]
> *Subject:* Re: [ros-dev] I want to develop the kernel of ReactOS, how
> do i join????
>
> This is treading on thin ice.
> In my opinion, anyone having admitted to having accessed MS source
> code should not be allowed to write code for ReactOS and should never
> get commit access.
> Working on something not related to the source someone has seen,
> should still be a no go.
> As this will still increase the perception out there that ROS is tainted.
> And from my experienced of life in general, perception = reality,
> whether its true or not.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:09:00 -0500
> From: [e-mail]
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: [ros-dev] I want to develop the kernel of ReactOS, how do
> i join????
>
> He'd need to demonstrate that whatever he developed, the reason for
> what his code does can be tracked to available documentation, not the
> leaked source code.
>
>
>
> Hotmail® has a new way to see what's up with your friends. Check it
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>
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>
>
>
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I just rephrased what I was told to the time of the audit. So don't

blame me ;-)

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[Dmitry Gorbachev]

I think that the site documentation is not quite clear. It would be
good to fix documentation, or this question will arise again and
again.

[Matthieu Suiche]

"and part of the leaked winnt source code"
YOU FAIL.
--
Matthieu Suiche

On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Xiaoming Gao [e-mail] wrote:
> Hi guys:
>    I have read the linux kernel code and part of the leaked winnt source
> code,and i want to join the developing of ReactOS kernel,how can i join??
>
> Ros-dev mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

[James Tabor]

Hi!

On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Xiaoming Gao [e-mail] wrote:
> Hi guys:
>    I have read the linux kernel code and part of the leaked winnt source
> code,and i want to join the developing of ReactOS kernel,how can i join??

Well, first off, you should stay away from the leaked source..... Just
keep up to date with the SDK and WDK. But, you can be a good wine
developer and work with them since you know linux. wine developers use
leaked source daily and rewrite it to look like linux source, so
you'll fit in nicely there.

Thanks,
James

[magnus johnsson]

...

2009/5/17 James Tabor [e-mail]:
> Well, first off, you should stay away from the leaked source..... Just
> keep up to date with the SDK and WDK. But, you can be a good wine
> developer and work with them since you know linux. wine developers use
> leaked source daily and rewrite it to look like linux source, so
> you'll fit in nicely there.

Excuse me? Don't go there.
You should know better than to say things like that, even if it was a joke.

[Xiaoming Gao]

2009/5/17 magnus johnsson [e-mail]
> ...
>
> 2009/5/17 James Tabor [e-mail]:
> > Well, first off, you should stay away from the leaked source..... Just
> > keep up to date with the SDK and WDK. But, you can be a good wine
> > developer and work with them since you know linux. wine developers use
> > leaked source daily and rewrite it to look like linux source, so
> > you'll fit in nicely there.
>
> Excuse me? Don't go there.
> You should know better than to say things like that, even if it was a joke.
>  _______________________________________________
> Ros-dev mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

But i'm just only interested in ReactOS,so i'll keep on caring it,and i
think i can give some suggests although i can't develop it..

[Daniel Reimer]

Xiaoming Gao wrote:
> 2009/5/17 magnus johnsson <[e-mail] 
> mailto:[e-mail]>
> ...
>
> 2009/5/17 James Tabor <[e-mail]
> <mailto:[e-mail]>>:
> > Well, first off, you should stay away from the leaked
> source..... Just
> > keep up to date with the SDK and WDK. But, you can be a good wine
> > developer and work with them since you know linux. wine
> developers use
> > leaked source daily and rewrite it to look like linux source, so
> > you'll fit in nicely there.
>
> Excuse me? Don't go there.
> You should know better than to say things like that, even if it
> was a joke.
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> But i'm just only interested in ReactOS,so i'll keep on caring it,and 
> i think i can give some suggests although i can't develop it..
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You can, but I only if you tell us what code parts of the leaked code 
you did look at. You will be excluded from this prts in ROS. The rest is 
open to be coded on by you.

[James Tabor]

On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 6:20 AM, Daniel Reimer
[e-mail] wrote:
> Xiaoming Gao wrote:
> > 2009/5/17 magnus johnsson <[e-mail]
> > mailto:[e-mail]>
> > ...
> >
> > 2009/5/17 James Tabor <[e-mail]
> > <mailto:[e-mail]>>:
> > > Well, first off, you should stay away from the leaked
> > source..... Just
> > > keep up to date with the SDK and WDK. But, you can be a good wine
> > > developer and work with them since you know linux. wine
> > developers use
> > > leaked source daily and rewrite it to look like linux source, so
> > > you'll fit in nicely there.
> >
> > Excuse me? Don't go there.
> > You should know better than to say things like that, even if it
> > was a joke.

Joke, yes, a little one, maybe.....

Question should be, Where is the full discloser of the wine audit?
Status on every file in the source with author information. When the
wine audit started, there was a major wine rewrite going on with files
moving about in the wine tree,,, very fishy stuff too.... Where is the
accountability? Just Alexandre Julliard or Jeremy White?

So, in stating what I had posted, is it a joke, we really don't know.
Until real data is posted by the SFLC we will not know. I guess we
will see a patent treaty with wine and Microshaft before then.

See, they kept the focus on us the whole time, and since most of you
have short memories, that is the one thing they count on.
> > But i'm just only interested in ReactOS,so i'll keep on caring it,and
> > i think i can give some suggests although i can't develop it..
>
> You can, but I only if you tell us what code parts of the leaked code
> you did look at. You will be excluded from this prts in ROS. The rest is
> open to be coded on by you.

No, it is a no starter, right out of the gate. He can not be part of this group.

[Ged]

James Tabor wrote:
> Question should be, Where is the full discloser of the wine audit?

Who cares?
Let's concentrate on our own project instead of trying to reignite old
arguments manifested by a small minority.
I left school a long time ago, let's leave the petty name calling there.

[Alex Ionescu]

You should care because >50% of ReactOS code comes from Wine :)
Best regards,
Alex Ionescu

On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Ged [e-mail] wrote:
> James Tabor wrote:
> > Question should be, Where is the full discloser of the wine audit?
>
> Who cares?
> Let's concentrate on our own project instead of trying to reignite old
> arguments manifested by a small minority.
> I left school a long time ago, let's leave the petty name calling there.
>
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[Aleksey Bragin]

On May 17, 2009, at 5:00 AM, James Tabor wrote:
> wine developers use
> leaked source daily and rewrite it to look like linux source, so
> you'll fit in nicely there.

I must say that this is not an opinion which ReactOS project  
officially shares. Most of developers, and ReactOS project officially  
makes our best to collaborate with Wine and any other open source  
project as much as possible.

Wine's value to ReactOS can hardly be undervalued.

With the best regards,
Aleksey Bragin.

[Wesley Parish]

Indeed, IIRC, Wine developers target the behaviour of MS Win32 programs and 
try to replicate it, rather than reverse-engineering the MS Win32 code base, 
let alone reading any leaked source trees.

Just my 0.02c

Wesley Parish

Quoting Aleksey Bragin [e-mail]:
> On May 17, 2009, at 5:00 AM, James Tabor wrote:
> > wine developers use
> > leaked source daily and rewrite it to look like linux source, so
> > you'll fit in nicely there.
>
> I must say that this is not an opinion which ReactOS project 
> officially shares. Most of developers, and ReactOS project officially 
> makes our best to collaborate with Wine and any other open source 
> project as much as possible.
>
> Wine's value to ReactOS can hardly be undervalued.
>
> With the best regards,
> Aleksey Bragin.
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