New Webserver System

[Rick Langschultz]

I was kicking around the idea of installing a jabber server on my  
companies server to allow instant messaging on the local area network.
Would reactos.com be willing to do something like that or is that too  
far out of the scope of the project.

I was going to use OpenLDAP for authentication and save all of the  
conversations in XML files in both senders and recipients home  
folders. I also was going to write an XSL to display those messages.

I think this would help out both developers and users of reactos.  
Including future RosMessenger or something like that...

Just a though...
Rick Langschultz
rlangschultz(a)cox.net (Home)
rlangschultz(a)ellemaespa.com (Work)
rlangschultz(a)email.uophx.edu (School)

[Bryan Quigley]

Throwing another custom messenger on the market, seems quite 
counter-productive to me. I believe ROSMessenger is out of the scope of this 
project. You can talk to the developers/users on IRC. Why is something else 
needed?

[Rick Langschultz]

Nothing else is really needed, just to say that it would be a nice  
feature to have either now, or in the long run...
On Aug 28, 2005, at 10:10 PM, Bryan Quigley wrote:

>   Throwing another custom messenger on the market, seems
> quite  
>  counter-productive to me.  I believe ROSMessenger is out of the  
>  scope of this project.   You can talk to the developers/users on  
>  IRC.  Why is something else needed?
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.com
>  http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev 
Rick Langschultz
rlangschultz(a)cox.net (Home)
rlangschultz(a)ellemaespa.com (Work)
rlangschultz(a)email.uophx.edu (School)

[art yerkes]

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:56:50 -0500
Rick Langschultz <rlangschultz(a)cox.net> wrote:

>   I was kicking around the idea of installing a jabber
> server on my  
>  companies server to allow instant messaging on the local area network.
>  Would reactos.com be willing to do something like that or is that too  
>  far out of the scope of the project.
>  
>  I was going to use OpenLDAP for authentication and save all of the  
>  conversations in XML files in both senders and recipients home  
>  folders. I also was going to write an XSL to display those messages.
>  
>  I think this would help out both developers and users of reactos.  
>  Including future RosMessenger or something like that...
>   
We already have an IRC channel and (theoretically) we'll have the forum
back eventually.  I think putting yet more services on reactos.com is
asking for more trouble like the one that caused our recent site
problems.

freenode, even if some people have problems with it, does serve us well
IMO.
-- 
Here's a simple experiment. Stand on a train track between two locomotives
which are pushing on you with equal force in opposite directions. You will
exhibit no net motion. None the less, you may soon begin to notice that
something important is happening.
-- Robert Stirniman

[Rick Langschultz]

Let us consider the way Microsoft does things for just a minute.
When Windows XP came out it was bundled with Paint, NotePad, Write,  
Builtin CD Burning, DVD-Burning???, Windows Media Player, and MSN  
Messenger, as well as MSN if memory serves me correctly. Then they  
had the addons like IIS, MSMQ, etc. As it turns out the bundled stuff  
could be uninstalled. I think users of an operating system are  
looking for convenience in an operating system. Even my new ibook g4  
came with ichat installed, textedit, worldbook encyclopedia, as well  
as many other programs that I find I use almost daily. Consider the  
fact that prebundling software in the production release would give  
ReactOS an advantage in the computing industry. And if a user doesn't  
want those program they could either not use them or can uninstall  
them. Think of the shear scope of the long term goal of reactOS. And  
with prebundled software applications and installable add ons would  
make reactos a more powerful, and hopefully more prominant computing  
environment which may be on your local best buy shelf...
  But in order for that to happen people have to start looking at the  
statistics and trends in computing today, whilst focusing on the  
minor version releases like the pre-production releases.
All I am saying is open your mind and show yourself what computing  
can be taken to...

On Aug 28, 2005, at 8:56 PM, Rick Langschultz wrote:

>   I was kicking around the idea of installing a jabber
> server on my  
>  companies server to allow instant messaging on the local area network.
>  Would reactos.com be willing to do something like that or is that  
>  too far out of the scope of the project.
>
>  I was going to use OpenLDAP for authentication and save all of the  
>  conversations in XML files in both senders and recipients home  
>  folders. I also was going to write an XSL to display those messages.
>
>  I think this would help out both developers and users of reactos.  
>  Including future RosMessenger or something like that...
>
>  Just a though...
>  Rick Langschultz
>  rlangschultz(a)cox.net (Home)
>  rlangschultz(a)ellemaespa.com (Work)
>  rlangschultz(a)email.uophx.edu (School)
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.com
>  http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>  
Rick Langschultz
rlangschultz(a)cox.net (Home)
rlangschultz(a)ellemaespa.com (Work)
rlangschultz(a)email.uophx.edu (School)

[WaxDragon]

How about we get ReactOS working first?

On 8/29/05, Rick Langschultz <rlangschultz(a)cox.net> wrote:
>   Let us consider the way Microsoft does things for just
> a minute. 
Also, I didn't think we were trying to clone Microsoft, just NT. ;0)

-- 
#irc.freenode.net #reactos
01:03PM <filip2307> i don't know about any bug
01:04PM <filip2307> none exist
01:04PM <filip2307> ReactOS is prefect

[Ge van Geldorp]

>   From: Rick Langschultz
>  
>  Let us consider the way Microsoft does things for just a minute.
>  When Windows XP came out it was bundled with Paint, NotePad, 
>  Write, Builtin CD Burning, DVD-Burning???, Windows Media 
>  Player, and MSN Messenger, as well as MSN if memory serves me 
>  correctly. Then they had the addons like IIS, MSMQ, etc. 
I think setting up our own jabber server is something completely different
from packing apps with ReactOS. To be honest, I don't see reactos.com
running a jabber server anytime soon (and probably never at all).

Ge van Geldorp.

[Richard Campbell]

Well, i don't know about other devs around here, but i don't WANT 
ReactOS to become another XP.

Windows XP typically consumes over a GB of space.

Remember NT4?  It took between 30 and 100 mb of space depending on 
features.  Windows 95?  About 15 MB.  If users want additional apps, 
they can either download them, or use a custom ROS distro that will 
include such things.  The source tree is cluttered enough as it is.  
ReactOS should only include the basic software that earlier versions 
shipped with...a notepad clone, possibly a wordpad clone, basic net 
utils, etc.

I for one miss the day when the operating system took less than 100 MB 
of space.  I for one miss the day when 64 mb of memory was all that was 
needed for browsing the web, checking email, and playing simple games 
like starcraft, etc.  Nowadays if you install XP on a machine with 64 mb 
of RAM, it swaps like crazy, and windows xp x64 pro (which i have) is 
even worse, windows vista even worse.

This is also one of the problems with linux.  Too much shit gets bundled 
with most distros.  A basic linux distro with a GUI like KDE (lets face 
it, only hardcore computer geeks (no offense) use the CLI) tends to 
consume over 500 MB space minimum.  I would like to see a return to the 
days when your operating system didn't bog down your system.  Anyone 
else remember these days?

Regards,
Richard


Rick Langschultz wrote:

>   Let us consider the way Microsoft does things for just
> a minute.
>  When Windows XP came out it was bundled with Paint, NotePad, Write,  
>  Builtin CD Burning, DVD-Burning???, Windows Media Player, and MSN  
>  Messenger, as well as MSN if memory serves me correctly. Then they  
>  had the addons like IIS, MSMQ, etc. As it turns out the bundled stuff  
>  could be uninstalled. I think users of an operating system are  
>  looking for convenience in an operating system. Even my new ibook g4  
>  came with ichat installed, textedit, worldbook encyclopedia, as well  
>  as many other programs that I find I use almost daily. Consider the  
>  fact that prebundling software in the production release would give  
>  ReactOS an advantage in the computing industry. And if a user doesn't  
>  want those program they could either not use them or can uninstall  
>  them. Think of the shear scope of the long term goal of reactOS. And  
>  with prebundled software applications and installable add ons would  
>  make reactos a more powerful, and hopefully more prominant computing  
>  environment which may be on your local best buy shelf...
>   But in order for that to happen people have to start looking at the  
>  statistics and trends in computing today, whilst focusing on the  
>  minor version releases like the pre-production releases.
>  All I am saying is open your mind and show yourself what computing  
>  can be taken to...
>
>  On Aug 28, 2005, at 8:56 PM, Rick Langschultz wrote:
>
> >   I was kicking around the idea of installing a
> > jabber server on my  
> >  companies server to allow instant messaging on the local area network.
> >  Would reactos.com be willing to do something like that or is that  
> >  too far out of the scope of the project.
> >
> >  I was going to use OpenLDAP for authentication and save all of the  
> >  conversations in XML files in both senders and recipients home  
> >  folders. I also was going to write an XSL to display those messages.
> >
> >  I think this would help out both developers and users of reactos.  
> >  Including future RosMessenger or something like that...
> >
> >  Just a though...
> >  Rick Langschultz
> >  rlangschultz(a)cox.net (Home)
> >  rlangschultz(a)ellemaespa.com (Work)
> >  rlangschultz(a)email.uophx.edu (School)
> >
> >
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  Ros-dev mailing list
> >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.com
> >  http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> >  
>  Rick Langschultz
>  rlangschultz(a)cox.net (Home)
>  rlangschultz(a)ellemaespa.com (Work)
>  rlangschultz(a)email.uophx.edu (School)
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.com
>  http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>

[David Johnson]

Check!

On 8/29/05, Richard Campbell <eek2121(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>   Well, i don't know about other devs around here,
> but i don't WANT
>  ReactOS to become another XP.
>  
>  Windows XP typically consumes over a GB of space.
>  
>  Remember NT4?  It took between 30 and 100 mb of space depending on
>  features.  Windows 95?  About 15 MB.  If users want additional apps,
>  they can either download them, or use a custom ROS distro that will
>  include such things.  The source tree is cluttered enough as it is.
>  ReactOS should only include the basic software that earlier versions
>  shipped with...a notepad clone, possibly a wordpad clone, basic net
>  utils, etc.
>  
>  I for one miss the day when the operating system took less than 100 MB
>  of space.  I for one miss the day when 64 mb of memory was all that was
>  needed for browsing the web, checking email, and playing simple games
>  like starcraft, etc.  Nowadays if you install XP on a machine with 64 mb
>  of RAM, it swaps like crazy, and windows xp x64 pro (which i have) is
>  even worse, windows vista even worse.
>  
>  This is also one of the problems with linux.  Too much shit gets bundled
>  with most distros.  A basic linux distro with a GUI like KDE (lets face
>  it, only hardcore computer geeks (no offense) use the CLI) tends to
>  consume over 500 MB space minimum.  I would like to see a return to the
>  days when your operating system didn't bog down your system.  Anyone
>  else remember these days?
>  
>  Regards,
>  Richard
>  
>  
>  Rick Langschultz wrote:
>  
> >   Let us consider the way Microsoft does things for
> > just a minute.
> >  When Windows XP came out it was bundled with Paint, NotePad, Write,
> >  Builtin CD Burning, DVD-Burning???, Windows Media Player, and MSN
> >  Messenger, as well as MSN if memory serves me correctly. Then they
> >  had the addons like IIS, MSMQ, etc. As it turns out the bundled stuff
> >  could be uninstalled. I think users of an operating system are
> >  looking for convenience in an operating system. Even my new ibook g4
> >  came with ichat installed, textedit, worldbook encyclopedia, as well
> >  as many other programs that I find I use almost daily. Consider the
> >  fact that prebundling software in the production release would give
> >  ReactOS an advantage in the computing industry. And if a user doesn't
> >  want those program they could either not use them or can uninstall
> >  them. Think of the shear scope of the long term goal of reactOS. And
> >  with prebundled software applications and installable add ons would
> >  make reactos a more powerful, and hopefully more prominant computing
> >  environment which may be on your local best buy shelf...
> >   But in order for that to happen people have to start looking at the
> >  statistics and trends in computing today, whilst focusing on the
> >  minor version releases like the pre-production releases.
> >  All I am saying is open your mind and show yourself what computing
> >  can be taken to...
> >
> >  On Aug 28, 2005, at 8:56 PM, Rick Langschultz wrote:
> >
> > >   I was kicking around the idea of installing a
> > > jabber server on my
> > >  companies server to allow instant messaging on the local area network.
> > >  Would reactos.com be willing to do something like that or is that
> > >  too far out of the scope of the project.
> > >
> > >  I was going to use OpenLDAP for authentication and save all of the
> > >  conversations in XML files in both senders and recipients home
> > >  folders. I also was going to write an XSL to display those messages.
> > >
> > >  I think this would help out both developers and users of reactos.
> > >  Including future RosMessenger or something like that...
> > >
> > >  Just a though...
> > >  Rick Langschultz
> > >  rlangschultz(a)cox.net (Home)
> > >  rlangschultz(a)ellemaespa.com (Work)
> > >  rlangschultz(a)email.uophx.edu (School)
> > >
> > >
> > >  _______________________________________________
> > >  Ros-dev mailing list
> > >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.com
> > >  http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > >  
> >  Rick Langschultz
> >  rlangschultz(a)cox.net (Home)
> >  rlangschultz(a)ellemaespa.com (Work)
> >  rlangschultz(a)email.uophx.edu (School)
> >
> >
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  Ros-dev mailing list
> >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.com
> >  http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> >  
>  
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.com
>  http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>   

-- 
David Johnson
http://www.davefilms.us

[Simon Cornelius P. Umacob]

I agree.  However, why not distribute ReactOS in various flavors, ala 
Linux? :)

[ simon.cpu ]


David Johnson wrote:
>   Check!
>  
>  On 8/29/05, Richard Campbell <eek2121(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>  
> >Well, i don't know about other devs around here, but i don't WANT
> >ReactOS to become another XP.
> >
> >Windows XP typically consumes over a GB of space. 
<snip>
-- 
And /usr/games/fortune futurama says:

  "And so, on behalf of the entire city, I thank you Professor Farnsworth. I
now present you with the Academy Prize, which we
  confiscated from Dr. Wernstrom after it became apparent that he was a
jackass." -Mayor

[Wesley Parish]

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:52, Simon Cornelius P. Umacob wrote:
>   I agree.  However, why not distribute ReactOS in
> various flavors, ala
>  Linux? :) 
That'll up to the various distributions.

It's got not a lot to do with the ReactOS kernel.

Wesley Parish
>  
>  [ simon.cpu ]
>
>  David Johnson wrote:
> >   Check!
> >
> >  On 8/29/05, Richard Campbell <eek2121(a)comcast.net> wrote:
> > >Well, i don't know about other devs around here, but i don't WANT
> > >ReactOS to become another XP.
> > >
> > >Windows XP typically consumes over a GB of space. 
>  <snip> 
-- 
Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish
-----
Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui?
You ask, what is the most important thing?
Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata.
I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people.

[Emanuele Aliberti]

Richard Campbell wrote:

>   Well, i don't know about other devs around here,
> but i don't WANT 
>  ReactOS to become another XP.
>
>  Windows XP typically consumes over a GB of space.
>
>  Remember NT4?  It took between 30 and 100 mb of space depending on 
>  features.  Windows 95?  About 15 MB.  If users want additional apps, 
>  they can either download them, or use a custom ROS distro that will 
>  include such things.  The source tree is cluttered enough as it is.  
>  ReactOS should only include the basic software that earlier versions 
>  shipped with...a notepad clone, possibly a wordpad clone, basic net 
>  utils, etc. 
Also the Win32 subsystem is not technically necessary. All Win32 pieces 
could be moved off the main reactos tree and included as optional 
linking them from modules. I proposed it years ago. It is not an easy 
task, though, because setup should know that, if the user asks for no 
personalty at all, it should install none (now win32 is by default in). 
Personalities (win, posix, os2, vms, ...) should come on the cd-rom as 
separate cab files and post install procedures add registry entries, 
create directoryes etc. A no-personality ReactOS will be a really light 
OS, perfect for custom text/graphics boxes (you just need writing an 
entry in the registry for the session manager to start your native 
program, which will be the only user program in the box (excluding the 
sm itself).

-- 
:Emanuele Aliberti

[Robert Köpferl]

sounds sexy
But is this realizable?

Emanuele Aliberti wrote:
>   Richard Campbell wrote:
>  
> >   Well, i don't know about other devs around
> > here, but i don't WANT 
> >  ReactOS to become another XP.
> >
> >  Windows XP typically consumes over a GB of space.
> >
> >  Remember NT4?  It took between 30 and 100 mb of space depending on 
> >  features.  Windows 95?  About 15 MB.  If users want additional apps, 
> >  they can either download them, or use a custom ROS distro that will 
> >  include such things.  The source tree is cluttered enough as it is.  
> >  ReactOS should only include the basic software that earlier versions 
> >  shipped with...a notepad clone, possibly a wordpad clone, basic net 
> >  utils, etc. 
>  
>  
>  Also the Win32 subsystem is not technically necessary. All Win32 pieces 
>  could be moved off the main reactos tree and included as optional 
>  linking them from modules. I proposed it years ago. It is not an easy 
>  task, though, because setup should know that, if the user asks for no 
>  personalty at all, it should install none (now win32 is by default in). 
>  Personalities (win, posix, os2, vms, ...) should come on the cd-rom as 
>  separate cab files and post install procedures add registry entries, 
>  create directoryes etc. A no-personality ReactOS will be a really light 
>  OS, perfect for custom text/graphics boxes (you just need writing an 
>  entry in the registry for the session manager to start your native 
>  program, which will be the only user program in the box (excluding the 
>  sm itself).
>

[Andrew Murphy]

Boots but doesnt work because USB doesnt work yet, cant control it :)

On 01/09/05, Robert Köpferl <rob(a)koepferl.de> wrote:
>   
>  sounds sexy
>  But is this realizable?
>  
>  Emanuele Aliberti wrote:
> >   Richard Campbell wrote:
> >
> > >   Well, i don't know about other devs around
> > > here, but i don't WANT
> > >  ReactOS to become another XP.
> > >
> > >  Windows XP typically consumes over a GB of space.
> > >
> > >  Remember NT4? It took between 30 and 100 mb of space depending on
> > >  features. Windows 95? About 15 MB. If users want additional apps,
> > >  they can either download them, or use a custom ROS distro that will
> > >  include such things. The source tree is cluttered enough as it is.
> > >  ReactOS should only include the basic software that earlier versions
> > >  shipped with...a notepad clone, possibly a wordpad clone, basic net
> > >  utils, etc. 
> >
> >  Also the Win32 subsystem is not technically necessary. All Win32 pieces
> >  could be moved off the main reactos tree and included as optional
> >  linking them from modules. I proposed it years ago. It is not an easy
> >  task, though, because setup should know that, if the user asks for no
> >  personalty at all, it should install none (now win32 is by default in).
> >  Personalities (win, posix, os2, vms, ...) should come on the cd-rom as
> >  separate cab files and post install procedures add registry entries,
> >  create directoryes etc. A no-personality ReactOS will be a really light
> >  OS, perfect for custom text/graphics boxes (you just need writing an
> >  entry in the registry for the session manager to start your native
> >  program, which will be the only user program in the box (excluding the
> >  sm itself).
> >  
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.com
>  http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>

[Emanuele Aliberti]

Technical answer: yes, it is (but requires a lot of work that currently 
is better we focus on finishing what we begun).

Political answer: I proposed it years ago, perhaps even from the very 
beginning (I don't remember when, I was given write access by Jason+Rex 
at the begenning of 1999), but the reply from the developers was warm. 
The reason is due, I guess, to two main reasons. a) the picture MS 
marketing made for NT. It is not seens as a standalone core plus 
subsystems, but as "Windows", a single object, a single product, a 
single piece of code. This explains why even thinking of a subsystemless 
ReactOS is, for many people,  unconceivable. But, even NT can run 
without subsystems at all: see the tect mode recovery shell Russinovich 
sells on Winternals. b) making reactos neutral, removing the points 
where the design got polluted by win32-ism is expensive in both design 
constraints and developers time.

N.B. As usual, political answers require much more words than technical 
ones and the informative content is ofter lower.


Robert Köpferl wrote:

>   sounds sexy
>  But is this realizable?
>
>  Emanuele Aliberti wrote: 
[summary] win32 as an optional module [/summary]

-- 
:Emanuele Aliberti

[Casper Hornstrup]

You can still install Windows 95 or an older Linux.

Casper

>   -----Original Message-----
>  From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.com [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of
> Richard
>  Campbell
>  Sent: 30. august 2005 01:35
>  To: ReactOS Development List
>  Subject: Re: [ros-dev] New Webserver System
>  
>  This is also one of the problems with linux.  Too much shit gets bundled
>  with most distros.  A basic linux distro with a GUI like KDE (lets face
>  it, only hardcore computer geeks (no offense) use the CLI) tends to
>  consume over 500 MB space minimum.  I would like to see a return to the
>  days when your operating system didn't bog down your system.  Anyone
>  else remember these days?
>  
>  Regards,
>  Richard
>  
>  
>  Rick Langschultz wrote:
>  
> >   Let us consider the way Microsoft does things for
> > just a minute.
> >  When Windows XP came out it was bundled with Paint, NotePad, Write,
> >  Builtin CD Burning, DVD-Burning???, Windows Media Player, and MSN
> >  Messenger, as well as MSN if memory serves me correctly. Then they
> >  had the addons like IIS, MSMQ, etc. As it turns out the bundled stuff
> >  could be uninstalled. I think users of an operating system are
> >  looking for convenience in an operating system. Even my new ibook g4
> >  came with ichat installed, textedit, worldbook encyclopedia, as well
> >  as many other programs that I find I use almost daily. Consider the
> >  fact that prebundling software in the production release would give
> >  ReactOS an advantage in the computing industry. And if a user doesn't
> >  want those program they could either not use them or can uninstall
> >  them. Think of the shear scope of the long term goal of reactOS. And
> >  with prebundled software applications and installable add ons would
> >  make reactos a more powerful, and hopefully more prominant computing
> >  environment which may be on your local best buy shelf...
> >   But in order for that to happen people have to start looking at the
> >  statistics and trends in computing today, whilst focusing on the
> >  minor version releases like the pre-production releases.
> >  All I am saying is open your mind and show yourself what computing
> >  can be taken to...
> >
> >  On Aug 28, 2005, at 8:56 PM, Rick Langschultz wrote:
> >
> > >   I was kicking around the idea of installing a
> > > jabber server on my
> > >  companies server to allow instant messaging on the local area network.
> > >  Would reactos.com be willing to do something like that or is that
> > >  too far out of the scope of the project.
> > >
> > >  I was going to use OpenLDAP for authentication and save all of the
> > >  conversations in XML files in both senders and recipients home
> > >  folders. I also was going to write an XSL to display those messages.
> > >
> > >  I think this would help out both developers and users of reactos.
> > >  Including future RosMessenger or something like that...
> > >
> > >  Just a though...
> > >  Rick Langschultz
> > >  rlangschultz(a)cox.net (Home)
> > >  rlangschultz(a)ellemaespa.com (Work)
> > >  rlangschultz(a)email.uophx.edu (School)
> > >
> > >
> > >  _______________________________________________
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> > >  http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > >  
> >  Rick Langschultz
> >  rlangschultz(a)cox.net (Home)
> >  rlangschultz(a)ellemaespa.com (Work)
> >  rlangschultz(a)email.uophx.edu (School)
> >
> >
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  Ros-dev mailing list
> >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.com
> >  http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> >  
>  
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[TwoTailedFox]

And Windows 95 actually takes 40MB Space Minimum, not 15 ;)

On 8/30/05, Casper Hornstrup <ch(a)csh-consult.dk> wrote:
>   You can still install Windows 95 or an older Linux.
>  
>  Casper
>  
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >  From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.com [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of
> > Richard
> >  Campbell
> >  Sent: 30. august 2005 01:35
> >  To: ReactOS Development List
> >  Subject: Re: [ros-dev] New Webserver System
> >
> >  This is also one of the problems with linux.  Too much shit gets bundled
> >  with most distros.  A basic linux distro with a GUI like KDE (lets face
> >  it, only hardcore computer geeks (no offense) use the CLI) tends to
> >  consume over 500 MB space minimum.  I would like to see a return to the
> >  days when your operating system didn't bog down your system.  Anyone
> >  else remember these days?
> >
> >  Regards,
> >  Richard
> >
> >
> >  Rick Langschultz wrote:
> >
> > >   Let us consider the way Microsoft does things for
> > > just a minute.
> > >  When Windows XP came out it was bundled with Paint, NotePad, Write,
> > >  Builtin CD Burning, DVD-Burning???, Windows Media Player, and MSN
> > >  Messenger, as well as MSN if memory serves me correctly. Then they
> > >  had the addons like IIS, MSMQ, etc. As it turns out the bundled stuff
> > >  could be uninstalled. I think users of an operating system are
> > >  looking for convenience in an operating system. Even my new ibook g4
> > >  came with ichat installed, textedit, worldbook encyclopedia, as well
> > >  as many other programs that I find I use almost daily. Consider the
> > >  fact that prebundling software in the production release would give
> > >  ReactOS an advantage in the computing industry. And if a user doesn't
> > >  want those program they could either not use them or can uninstall
> > >  them. Think of the shear scope of the long term goal of reactOS. And
> > >  with prebundled software applications and installable add ons would
> > >  make reactos a more powerful, and hopefully more prominant computing
> > >  environment which may be on your local best buy shelf...
> > >   But in order for that to happen people have to start looking at the
> > >  statistics and trends in computing today, whilst focusing on the
> > >  minor version releases like the pre-production releases.
> > >  All I am saying is open your mind and show yourself what computing
> > >  can be taken to...
> > >
> > >  On Aug 28, 2005, at 8:56 PM, Rick Langschultz wrote:
> > >
> > > >   I was kicking around the idea of installing a
> > > > jabber server on my
> > > >  companies server to allow instant messaging on the local area network.
> > > >  Would reactos.com be willing to do something like that or is that
> > > >  too far out of the scope of the project.
> > > >
> > > >  I was going to use OpenLDAP for authentication and save all of the
> > > >  conversations in XML files in both senders and recipients home
> > > >  folders. I also was going to write an XSL to display those messages.
> > > >
> > > >  I think this would help out both developers and users of reactos.
> > > >  Including future RosMessenger or something like that...
> > > >
> > > >  Just a though...
> > > >  Rick Langschultz
> > > >  rlangschultz(a)cox.net (Home)
> > > >  rlangschultz(a)ellemaespa.com (Work)
> > > >  rlangschultz(a)email.uophx.edu (School)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  _______________________________________________
> > > >  Ros-dev mailing list
> > > >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.com
> > > >  http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > > >  
> > >  Rick Langschultz
> > >  rlangschultz(a)cox.net (Home)
> > >  rlangschultz(a)ellemaespa.com (Work)
> > >  rlangschultz(a)email.uophx.edu (School)
> > >
> > >
> > >  _______________________________________________
> > >  Ros-dev mailing list
> > >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.com
> > >  http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > >  
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  Ros-dev mailing list
> >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.com
> >  http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev 
>  
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>   

-- 
"I had a handle on life, but then it broke"

[Richard Campbell]

You've never had the older floppy version ;)

TwoTailedFox wrote:

>  And Windows 95 actually takes 40MB Space Minimum, not
> 15 ;)
>
> On 8/30/05, Casper Hornstrup <ch(a)csh-consult.dk> wrote:
>   
>
> >  You can still install Windows 95 or an older
> > Linux.
> >
> > Casper
> >
> >     
> >
> > >  -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.com [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of
> > > Richard
> > > Campbell
> > > Sent: 30. august 2005 01:35
> > > To: ReactOS Development List
> > > Subject: Re: [ros-dev] New Webserver System
> > >
> > > This is also one of the problems with linux.  Too much shit gets bundled
> > > with most distros.  A basic linux distro with a GUI like KDE (lets face
> > > it, only hardcore computer geeks (no offense) use the CLI) tends to
> > > consume over 500 MB space minimum.  I would like to see a return to the
> > > days when your operating system didn't bog down your system.  Anyone
> > > else remember these days?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Richard
> > >
> > >
> > > Rick Langschultz wrote:
> > >
> > >       
> > >
> > > >  Let us consider the way Microsoft does things for
> > > > just a minute.
> > > > When Windows XP came out it was bundled with Paint, NotePad, Write,
> > > > Builtin CD Burning, DVD-Burning???, Windows Media Player, and MSN
> > > > Messenger, as well as MSN if memory serves me correctly. Then they
> > > > had the addons like IIS, MSMQ, etc. As it turns out the bundled stuff
> > > > could be uninstalled. I think users of an operating system are
> > > > looking for convenience in an operating system. Even my new ibook g4
> > > > came with ichat installed, textedit, worldbook encyclopedia, as well
> > > > as many other programs that I find I use almost daily. Consider the
> > > > fact that prebundling software in the production release would give
> > > > ReactOS an advantage in the computing industry. And if a user doesn't
> > > > want those program they could either not use them or can uninstall
> > > > them. Think of the shear scope of the long term goal of reactOS. And
> > > > with prebundled software applications and installable add ons would
> > > > make reactos a more powerful, and hopefully more prominant computing
> > > > environment which may be on your local best buy shelf...
> > > >  But in order for that to happen people have to start looking at the
> > > > statistics and trends in computing today, whilst focusing on the
> > > > minor version releases like the pre-production releases.
> > > > All I am saying is open your mind and show yourself what computing
> > > > can be taken to...
> > > >
> > > > On Aug 28, 2005, at 8:56 PM, Rick Langschultz wrote:
> > > >
> > > >         
> > > >
> > > > >I was kicking around the idea of installing a jabber server on my
> > > > >companies server to allow instant messaging on the local area network.
> > > > >Would reactos.com be willing to do something like that or is that
> > > > >too far out of the scope of the project.
> > > > >
> > > > >I was going to use OpenLDAP for authentication and save all of the
> > > > >conversations in XML files in both senders and recipients home
> > > > >folders. I also was going to write an XSL to display those messages.
> > > > >
> > > > >I think this would help out both developers and users of reactos.
> > > > >Including future RosMessenger or something like that...
> > > > >
> > > > >Just a though...
> > > > >Rick Langschultz
> > > > >rlangschultz(a)cox.net (Home)
> > > > >rlangschultz(a)ellemaespa.com (Work)
> > > > >rlangschultz(a)email.uophx.edu (School)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >_______________________________________________
> > > > >Ros-dev mailing list
> > > > >Ros-dev(a)reactos.com
> > > > >http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > > > >
> > > > >          
> > > > >
> > > > Rick Langschultz
> > > > rlangschultz(a)cox.net (Home)
> > > > rlangschultz(a)ellemaespa.com (Work)
> > > > rlangschultz(a)email.uophx.edu (School)
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > > >
> > > >         
> > > >  
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> >     
> >  
>
>   
>

[Robert Köpferl]

Total rubbish....

Rick Langschultz wrote:
>   I was kicking around the idea of installing a jabber
> server on my  
>  companies server to allow instant messaging on the local area network.
>  Would reactos.com be willing to do something like that or is that too  
>  far out of the scope of the project.
>  
>  I was going to use OpenLDAP for authentication and save all of the  
>  conversations in XML files in both senders and recipients home  folders. 
>  I also was going to write an XSL to display those messages.
>  
>  I think this would help out both developers and users of reactos.  
>  Including future RosMessenger or something like that...
>  
>  Just a though...
>  Rick Langschultz
>  rlangschultz(a)cox.net (Home)
>  rlangschultz(a)ellemaespa.com (Work)
>  rlangschultz(a)email.uophx.edu (School)
>  
>  
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.com
>  http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>