Ros-general May 2005

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Re: [ros-dev] UI Coordinator Vote
by Steven Edwards 26 May '05

26 May '05

Hi, --- Jason Filby <jason.filby(a)gmail.com> wrote: > We need to vote on the UI Coordinator Vote. This will take 2 weeks > according to our voting rules and only committers may participate. If > you're not listed as a committer but participate in the project in an > important way (testing/web work) then talk to an existing committer to > get a recommendation. I don't know who all has names in the race but my vote would be for Fireball. He has done quite a lot of work helping on translation and international issues in ReactOS and I think with the Russian Translation of the website and been helping others to translate ReactOS in to thier native language. Thanks Steven Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html

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Fwd: Status update and voting
by Jason Filby 24 May '05

24 May '05

Forwarded to General List as well. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jason Filby <jason.filby(a)gmail.com> Date: May 24, 2005 8:50 PM Subject: Fwd: Status update and voting To: ReactOS Development List <ros-dev(a)reactos.com> Hi all Vizzini has officially stepped down from the kernel coordinator position. It's a pity that legalities and the nature of his business have put him in this position. I've expressed our thanks for his input and contributions to the project to Vizzini. The kernel coordinator position will be up for vote for nominiated candidates. This will only happen after the UI team has settled. In case you're wondering, the project coordinator position, which I've been sitting on for around 7/8 years now, will also be up for vote in the near future. This will only happen once we've nailed down a constitution for the project (and no, I'm not leaving the project, just opening things up). Regards Jason ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Vizzini <vizzini(a)plasmic.com> Date: May 24, 2005 4:32 AM Subject: Status update To: Jason Filby <jason.filby(a)gmail.com> Cc: Ge van Geldorp <gvg(a)reactos.com>, ch(a)csh-consult.dk Jason, Due to a few unfortunate legal changes related to work that I can't really avoid, I'm going to have to officially step down as the kernel coordinator. I haven't had any time to work on the project lately anyway, so it's probably better to just make it official. I've had a blast working with you guys over the past couple of years, and I hope to be able to contribute again some day. I'll try to keep an eye on things in case there are questions that I am needed for, but that doesn't seem to be happening too often. Thanks again for letting me participate in the project. I'm sorry I haven't been able to contribute more lately, and I wish I didn't have to jump off the train completely, but such is life. Thanks! -Vizzini

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To Mike Nordell
by Mikko Tikkanen 23 May '05

23 May '05

>Alex Ionescu wrote: >>Mike Nordell wrote: >>After exchanging words with them both on IRC now, my vote is for mf. >> >In all fairness, you talked with Mikko for 5 minutes as he was preparing >to sleep ;) Indeed. Now, after few hours of sleep, I'm still hardly the sharpest tool in a shed but at least my thoughts can run straight line... I forgot to mention something.. Approachability. Now I want you to think of regular user who uses his windows machine at work for e-mail and Word -writings.. Now, give him two computers, both have exactly same OS (say ROS) but with different approach for GUI (one that looks like windows and another one which kinda looks like windows but still looks like something else and somewhat acts like windows)... Now, which one do you think he/she is going to go for? To the windows look-alike. But why? Because it has higher approachability. I've seen this happen thousand times. People are afraid of anything new and sometimes even refuse to learn anything new if it is _absolutely_ necessary (i.e. if the old means are still usable even though not nearly as efficent as the new ones). Even though I'd love nothing more than to design fully new and revolutional concept for UI it is simply not efficent in this case IF ReactOS aims to be "another windows". The reason why I am driving this "another windows" concept is that it is basically the very mind and soul of ROS. The ultimate goal is to be 100% Windows compatible, but if the UI isn't Windows like the users will see it not as "another windows" but as "another OS" which then makes ROS to lose it's desired market value. (as windows compatible OS) If the user can't clearly distinct the fact that it really is "another windows" how can you expect him to realize that ROS really is 100% windows compatible AND you can run all your regular Windows software on it? Put a tag line on the boot screen? Not going to work, nor will the same line work on web-page, because regular users usually won't change their working OS by downloading and burning another one from internet but by observation. They will see someone else use it, maybe even try it themselves, perhaps think that they are using Windows but then realize that while they are doing everything they needed to do they are doing it it completely new environment. Of course to achieve this there has to be distinct clues that you are not in your regular Windows but also it has to look like Windows at the first glance. If it does look like Windows regular users will expect it to work like Windows (hence they can immediately start using it) and they will most likely will expect to run the same software because it looks and feels like Windows. -mikko

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Fwd: UI Coordinator Vote
by Mikko Tikkanen 22 May '05

22 May '05

> Mikko you need to start talking to me! > Thanks, > James I've been posting to the web-list, just to keep things clearer, as there is so much other stuff going on at the dev-list. Besides, I'm not even subscribed to other lists than web and general.. So check the web-dev if you have something to ask. :) -mikko

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Fwd: [ros-web] Re: Interface Team
by Jason Filby 21 May '05

21 May '05

I just noticed that this was sent to ros-web only. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mikko Tikkanen <mikko.tikkanen(a)gmail.com> Date: May 16, 2005 10:48 PM Subject: [ros-web] Re: Interface Team To: ros-web(a)reactos.com Greetings. I am the other half of Jason's "list", the half that (usually) responds to the name Mikko. Something about me: I've seen 25 summers, so far. (a.k.a I'm 25-years old ;) This summer would be my 26th. Usually my interests include badminton, rollerskating, bandy, gentle loving of my car (My one and only honey at the time. Hey, at least she's cheaper than a woman ;), movies, programming, reading (Usually different articles of various topics. Specially anything regarding of science.) and some sort of graphics. I've studied something that goes like this: Special-vocational degree, developing network solutions. (Level of studies ranging from quite basic to university level) Basically it includes designing and developing specified tools that utilize network in some way. Tools used included C/C++, Java/JavaScript, PHP. Though I have worked with VisualBasic, ASP, TCL and some other languages. Nowdays I mostly work basically with PHP and SQL of some sort. (Usually with MySQL, Postgre or Oracle) +xhtml & css Oh, and of course there is High school. Also, at the fall I'm hoping to get to this school which teaches interactivity designing. Basically everything ranging from physical UI design to game-, concept- or web design. However, my aim would to specialize in UI design. (And, of course, ultimately have my own company. 8) I've already cleared my way to last ~30 persons, now it's 30% change of getting in. 26th day are final exams and interviews for the school and after that it's a months wait and results should be here. Keep your thumbs up! :) Next to UI related stuff. I've worked, in some way or another, with www-applications for about 6-8 years. Also I like to educate myself so I've taken some courses and trainings on it. Also, I was in charge of design, production and maintaining of information gathering and analysis tools at Inmet Mining, Pyhäsalmi mine Oy. Europe's deepest metal ore mine and most technologically advanced mine in the world. Some of those tools are used by miners who didn't have very much experience with computers. Hence they needed to be easy to use yet able to utilize enough power, for experienced user, to dig out every last piece of information needed, regarding of i.e. certain ore loading machine. At my current job (head of sales, at paper. usually I lots of other things too) I've created complete network-based software for the shop's check-out. It also includes real time accounting for store, billing and web-shop. Of course all this is wrapped to single user interface. Which, sadly, has as good UI as I would like but there are other matters which keep me busy from re-creating the whole system. I've always been interested of UI design and have read pretty much everything I've come across with. Of course, depending of the source. ;) When designing something I've always tried position myself as the regular user and tried to forget all the "invisible" little helpers that I am used to, since regular user usually doesn't have a clue. Moms and dads actually make pretty good user test subjects as they don't use computers that much but know their way around. ;) I've also made initial design for a game called Notrium. Lately I've made some initial mockups for ROS. For software library: http://devnet.dnsalias.net/guidesign/software_library_v2.jpg And for ROS start menu: http://devnet.dnsalias.net/guidesign/start_menu.jpg Hmm. This turned to another rant, it seems. -mikko _______________________________________________ Ros-web mailing list Ros-web(a)reactos.com http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-web

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UI Coordinator Vote
by Jason Filby 20 May '05

20 May '05

Hi all We need to vote on the UI Coordinator Vote. This will take 2 weeks according to our voting rules and only committers may participate. If you're not listed as a committer but participate in the project in an important way (testing/web work) then talk to an existing committer to get a recommendation. For voting rules see: http://www.reactos.com/wiki/index.php/Voting Regards Jason

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Re: [ros-dev] Interface Team
by Steven Edwards 16 May '05

16 May '05

Hi, --- Jason Filby <jason.filby(a)gmail.com> wrote: , and has come up with most of our > current icons in ReactOS) and Mikko Tikkanen (has done a great mock-up > for the site: http://devnet.dnsalias.net/guidesign/web_mockup.jpg) I love that site design. That is how reactos.org should look. Thanks Steven Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html

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Interface Team
by Jason Filby 16 May '05

16 May '05

Hi all There's interest in forming an interface team, and I think it's worth exploring. This team would be responsible for all visual styling that goes on in the project. This includes ReactOS UI design and the look & feel of the website. So far both mf (as known on IRC, and has come up with most of our current icons in ReactOS) and Mikko Tikkanen (has done a great mock-up for the site: http://devnet.dnsalias.net/guidesign/web_mockup.jpg) have shown interest in heading this team. If anyone else wants to throw their hat into the ring - feel free to do so. It'll probably come down to a vote - but first if the respective people could tell everyone more about themselves and perhaps the related UI experience they have. Regards Jason

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RE: [ros-general] A Prior Art How To
by Murphy, Ged (Bolton) 14 May '05

14 May '05

James Tabor wrote: > > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050512082946871 > > Please comment, > James Have you read through the PDF? Is it worth a read? Ged. ************************************************************************ The information contained in this message or any of its attachments is confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. The information may also be legally privileged. The views expressed may not be company policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact postmaster(a)exideuk.co.uk <mailto:postmaster@exideuk.co.uk> and then delete this message. Exide Technologies is an industrial and transportation battery producer and recycler with operations in 89 countries. Further information can be found at www.exide.com

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A Prior Art How To
by James Tabor 14 May '05

14 May '05

Hi! http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050512082946871 Please comment, James

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