20 Oct
2005
20 Oct
'05
10:34 a.m.
Hi Lyrical.
How can I possibly argue with that, assembler and "C" will always be necessary.
It goes without saying.
If we ever do get a ros-programming list, they will both be basic learning requirements.
And if we do get it, then a ros-user list, just for non programmers will likewise be a
requirement.
As for ros-programming, we already have a link to MingGW-Msys which is dedicated to
creating both Windows and Win-Linux Applications. It has about 5 years of experience.
ReactOS already comes better supplied with free software than Microsoft. But unfortunately
it comes as a benefit to Microsoft too.
Already MinGW-Msys has a sizable library of tools, for the enthusiastic How-to
programmer.
ReactOS can seriouly compete with Windows, but only if it maintains a high level of Free
Professionalism.
That is not necessarily a contradition. A professional attitude assists the Free Open
Source development.
For us older and I hope wiser ex-professionals programmers, we lean more to the
What-if-User side.
The basic programming requirement for us, I believe is the second great product of the
Bell engineers, AWK: Alfred V. Aho, Peter J. Weinberger, and Brian W. Kernighan.
That lead to Perl. It is almost impossible to get us away from programming, no matter how
high we go.
But there are those who don't want to program at all, just play What-if games of
illusion.
The ideal tool for that is a Spread Sheet, like excel. That and IBM RPG are my pet hate.
If you have a Maths and Process Control bent, then is has to be Haskell and Lambda
programming.
http://www.haskell.org/
But if that is too much like programming then we look for an Integrated Development
Environment, IDE like:.
Smalltalk, the great creation from Palo Alto Research Center PARC, and funded with heaps
of Xerox money;
http://www.cs.uta.fi/kurssit/OPOK/smalltalk/Smalltalk%20Express/
It is less than 3MB compressed (must switch display to 256 color), and free NC
It will actually run and access files on a hard disk in Safe Mode. Impossible?? then try
it.
A similar great creation of Alain Colmerauer and Robert Kowalski is Prolog. That can also
be downloaded from http://www.pdc.dk/ . It is really the old Borland Turbo Prolog and
FreeNC
An example of the Power of IBM VisualSmalltalk is Liberty Basic www.libertybasic.com/
and FreeNC Just Basic http://www.justbasic.com/ .
It is less then 3 MB compressed and is wowing the older and younger VBasic enthusiasts and
runs under windows. It uses a Smalltalk VM to interpret Vbasic commands and executes them
in Smalltalk.
It is am amazing demonstration of the power of the Software Illusion.
Anyway they are all here on:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Wikipedia+hello+world&btnG=Goo…
But before all of that, we need to structure our ros-general to better support these
diverse requirements.
Ros-general is becoming too crowded.
All these Languages are too much to handle and still have time to get on with the job.
Cheers and rosuccess
Justin
http://www.cs.uta.fi/kurssit/OPOK/smalltalk/Smalltalk%20Express/
---- Lyrical Nanoha <LyricalNanoha(a)dosius.net> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, jwalsh(a)bigpond.net.au wrote:
If I may add my 2 cents worth.
I too have a spot in my heart for Linux Gui's, both KDE and Gnome.
However the overheads are too high. So I have 3 three Thinkspads on the net.
and a comfortable swivel chair.
Try QVWM, FVWM or XFCE 3.8 and you'll see that a window manager doesn't
have to be bloated. All of those run nicely in 64 MB RAM and I have run
QVWM and FVWM successfully on 32. KDE otoh strains and groans in 64 MB.
Suffice to say I have now dumped Linux and gone
back to Unix BSD and bash.
Well, BSD isn't legitimately called "UNIX" anymore, but still. BSD tools
are lighter than GNU tools, and more efficient. GNU itself is very
bloated.
-uso.
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