Re: [ros-general] writing file manager / how to use lex?

[Jason Filby]

Jan Tisje wrote:
> it seems to me, ROS exp is far from finished, too. 
> and first view was not what I was expecting from a file manager. 
> Well, i do not know anything about the internals. is anything

available?
> Jan

Hi Jan

ROS Explorer being far from finished doesn't seem like a valid reason
to 
start from scratch again. There's no reason you can't write an 
alternative, but I do think that you should first consider furthering

ROS Explorer. Another plus for ROS Explorer is that it's written in
C++ 
and can be compiled with MingW. A Delphi shell will not easily be 
included with the ReactOS distribution - but perhaps that's not what
you 
want anyway. These are not reasons not to begin work on your file 
manager - just things to be aware of before you begin.

The webpage for ROS Explorer is here:
http://www.sky.franken.de/explorer/

The source code is in the ReactOS source under:
reactos\subsys\system\explorer

Cheers
Jason

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[Brian Palmer]

This reminds me of all the linux guys saying "why not just use and improve
linux instead of writing your own". I say go ahead and have fun with it.

My $0.02
Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Jason Filby
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 10:38 AM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [ros-general] writing file manager / how to use lex?

Jan Tisje wrote:
> it seems to me, ROS exp is far from finished, too. 
> and first view was not what I was expecting from a file manager. 
> Well, i do not know anything about the internals. is anything

available?
> Jan

Hi Jan

ROS Explorer being far from finished doesn't seem like a valid reason
to 
start from scratch again. There's no reason you can't write an 
alternative, but I do think that you should first consider furthering

ROS Explorer. Another plus for ROS Explorer is that it's written in
C++ 
and can be compiled with MingW. A Delphi shell will not easily be 
included with the ReactOS distribution - but perhaps that's not what
you 
want anyway. These are not reasons not to begin work on your file 
manager - just things to be aware of before you begin.

The webpage for ROS Explorer is here:
http://www.sky.franken.de/explorer/

The source code is in the ReactOS source under:
reactos\subsys\system\explorer

Cheers
Jason

[Mauricio Abre]

VERY well said Brian!
It seems to be here a strong opposing  force to anything that it is not 
coded in plain C,
I just say: Good luck and very best wishes with your project  Jan Tisje!!

Mauricio

PS: Sorry, I'm not an active ROS developer, I went for other projects 
that meets more my current needs, but when I can give my sincere 
opinions here, I do it.. I just want the best to this project, and 
censorship is not in my list, unless it is something harmful or VERY 
contradictive... I think an alternate explorer will not harm anybody, 
even if it is written in other language ;)

Best regards and best wishes to every one with all iniciative regarding 
this project!

Brian Palmer wrote:
> This reminds me of all the linux guys saying "why not just use and improve
> linux instead of writing your own". I say go ahead and have fun with it.
>
> My $0.02
> Brian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Jason Filby
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 10:38 AM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: [ros-general] writing file manager / how to use lex?
>
> Jan Tisje wrote:
> > it seems to me, ROS exp is far from finished, too. 
> > and first view was not what I was expecting from a file manager. 
> > Well, i do not know anything about the internals. is anything
>
> available?
> > Jan
>
> Hi Jan
>
> ROS Explorer being far from finished doesn't seem like a valid reason
> to 
> start from scratch again. There's no reason you can't write an 
> alternative, but I do think that you should first consider furthering
>
> ROS Explorer. Another plus for ROS Explorer is that it's written in
> C++ 
> and can be compiled with MingW. A Delphi shell will not easily be 
> included with the ReactOS distribution - but perhaps that's not what
> you 
> want anyway. These are not reasons not to begin work on your file 
> manager - just things to be aware of before you begin.
>
> The webpage for ROS Explorer is here:
> http://www.sky.franken.de/explorer/
>
> The source code is in the ReactOS source under:
> reactos\subsys\system\explorer
>
> Cheers
> Jason
>
> ros-general mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general

[Mark IJbema]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 02:07:10AM -0300, Mauricio Abre wrote:
> VERY well said Brian!
> It seems to be here a strong opposing  force to anything that it is not 
> coded in plain C,
> I just say: Good luck and very best wishes with your project  Jan Tisje!!
>
> Mauricio
>
> PS: Sorry, I'm not an active ROS developer, I went for other projects 
> that meets more my current needs, but when I can give my sincere 
> opinions here, I do it.. I just want the best to this project, and 
> censorship is not in my list, unless it is something harmful or VERY 
> contradictive... I think an alternate explorer will not harm anybody, 
> even if it is written in other language ;)

Well, by using delphi your working against the OSS character of ROS,
that is, it couldn't be used in the ROS project. There's no OSS Delphi
compiler, and there are legal problems with delphi as well (see XPDE).
And as last point, afaik Delph isn't crossplatform.

Mark

[Markus Niemistö]

On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:20:17 +0100
Mark IJbema [e-mail] wrote:
> Well, by using delphi your working against the OSS character of ROS,
> that is, it couldn't be used in the ROS project. There's no OSS Delphi
> compiler, and there are legal problems with delphi as well (see XPDE).
> And as last point, afaik Delph isn't crossplatform.

Actually there is Lazarus http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org It is open
source and aims to be source compatible with Delphi. It uses Freepascal
compiler as backend which makes it quite portable.

Markus

[Jan Tisje]

> Well, by using delphi your working against the OSS character of ROS,
> that is, it couldn't be used in the ROS project. There's no OSS Delphi
> compiler, and there are legal problems with delphi as well (see XPDE).
> And as last point, afaik Delph isn't crossplatform.

You do not know anything about Delphi. ;-)

It actually is (limited) crossplatform, as there is an implementation for
linux named Kylix.

and it may be free (I do not know and do not want to know details), as there
is the emerging lazarus project. 
lazarus is near to finished for basic functions. Lazarus will be fully cross
platform.

My program nearly compiled on lazarus. 
It complained about a missing gcc (i did not investigate this issue further)
well, some VCL components are still missing.
http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/

In my opinion, if you say, windows is good, because of it's ease of use, you
must say Delphi is good too.
so, ReactOS without Delphi in focus is only half it could be.

regards

Jan
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[Casper Hornstrup]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] 
> [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Jan Tisje
> Sent: 23. marts 2004 11:07
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: [ros-general] to delphi or not to delphi (was: 
> filemanager)
> > Well, by using delphi your working against the OSS
>
> character of ROS,
> > that is, it couldn't be used in the ROS project. There's no
>
> OSS Delphi
> > compiler, and there are legal problems with delphi as well
>
> (see XPDE).
> > And as last point, afaik Delph isn't crossplatform.
>
> You do not know anything about Delphi. ;-)
>
> It actually is (limited) crossplatform, as there is an 
> implementation for linux named Kylix.

You have to balance a few developers wanting to contribute Delphi
source code and all future ReactOS developers needing to spend the extra
time to setup a development environment capable of compiling Delpi source
code. ReactOS currently depend on a minimum of tools and thats the way
it should be IMHO. For a simple test, try seeing how long it will take
you to setup an environment that is capable of building gcc which has
many dependencies.

Casper

[Robert Köpferl]

Though I don't program in Delphi, I would vote FOR making Delphi our 
second preferred language. The freePascal compiler which is capable of 
compiling Delphi source is plattform indipendend (or simple extended). 
It is free and since it is a compiler, it will integrate well (think so) 
into make. As you know, make is an universal tool and rather extensible.

BTW: This is just an opinion. I have no experience with Delphy/FPC nor 
do I really understand the current build system

Casper Hornstrup schrieb:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [e-mail] 
> > [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Jan Tisje
> > Sent: 23. marts 2004 11:07
> > To: [e-mail]
> > Subject: Re: [ros-general] to delphi or not to delphi (was: 
> > filemanager)
> > > Well, by using delphi your working against the OSS
> >
> > character of ROS,
> > > that is, it couldn't be used in the ROS project. There's no
> >
> > OSS Delphi
> > > compiler, and there are legal problems with delphi as well
> >
> > (see XPDE).
> > > And as last point, afaik Delph isn't crossplatform.
> >
> > You do not know anything about Delphi. ;-)
> >
> > It actually is (limited) crossplatform, as there is an 
> > implementation for linux named Kylix.
>
> You have to balance a few developers wanting to contribute Delphi
> source code and all future ReactOS developers needing to spend the extra
> time to setup a development environment capable of compiling Delpi source
> code. ReactOS currently depend on a minimum of tools and thats the way
> it should be IMHO. For a simple test, try seeing how long it will take
> you to setup an environment that is capable of building gcc which has
> many dependencies.
>
> Casper
>
> ros-general mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general

[Andrew Greenwood]

I used to use Delphi, until I discovered C/C++.

I think we shouldn't include any Delphi code for the ReactOS, although
applications should be able to use it if they wish.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Köpferl" [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [ros-general] to delphi or not to delphi (was: filemanager)
> Though I don't program in Delphi, I would vote FOR making Delphi our
> second preferred language. The freePascal compiler which is capable of
> compiling Delphi source is plattform indipendend (or simple extended).
> It is free and since it is a compiler, it will integrate well (think so)
> into make. As you know, make is an universal tool and rather extensible.
>
> BTW: This is just an opinion. I have no experience with Delphy/FPC nor
> do I really understand the current build system
>
> Casper Hornstrup schrieb:
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [e-mail]
> > > [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Jan Tisje
> > > Sent: 23. marts 2004 11:07
> > > To: [e-mail]
> > > Subject: Re: [ros-general] to delphi or not to delphi (was:
> > > filemanager)
> > > > Well, by using delphi your working against the OSS
> > >
> > > character of ROS,
> > > > that is, it couldn't be used in the ROS project. There's no
> > >
> > > OSS Delphi
> > > > compiler, and there are legal problems with delphi as well
> > >
> > > (see XPDE).
> > > > And as last point, afaik Delph isn't crossplatform.
> > >
> > > You do not know anything about Delphi. ;-)
> > >
> > > It actually is (limited) crossplatform, as there is an
> > > implementation for linux named Kylix.
> >
> > You have to balance a few developers wanting to contribute Delphi
> > source code and all future ReactOS developers needing to spend the extra
> > time to setup a development environment capable of compiling Delpi

source
> > code. ReactOS currently depend on a minimum of tools and thats the way
> > it should be IMHO. For a simple test, try seeing how long it will take
> > you to setup an environment that is capable of building gcc which has
> > many dependencies.
> >
> > Casper
> >
> > ros-general mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
>
> ros-general mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general

[Jan Tisje]

Hi,

thank you for all the comments, 
Most sound positive, some problems were mentioned. 
Let's see it as an experiment, and let me try. It will "do no harm" ;-)

I will try to answer the most important issues.

The project will not join the main ReactOS sources I think... at least
not too soon.

I hope Lazarus is finished before ReactOS is ;-)
So, there will be the option to port the file manager to Lazarus.

I wrote a mail to the author of ROS explorer, to find out the state of
his work...

Well, anything I forgot?

bye

Jan

[Robert Köpferl]

BTW.
Does there exist a OSS-Compiler which is capable of compiling Delphi 
source?
I think such thing like FreePascal will do, but the VCL is the Problem...
What'ts actually?

Mauricio Abre schrieb:
> VERY well said Brian!
> It seems to be here a strong opposing  force to anything that it is not 
> coded in plain C,
> I just say: Good luck and very best wishes with your project  Jan Tisje!!
>
> Mauricio
>
> PS: Sorry, I'm not an active ROS developer, I went for other projects 
> that meets more my current needs, but when I can give my sincere 
> opinions here, I do it.. I just want the best to this project, and 
> censorship is not in my list, unless it is something harmful or VERY 
> contradictive... I think an alternate explorer will not harm anybody, 
> even if it is written in other language ;)
>
> Best regards and best wishes to every one with all iniciative regarding 
> this project!
>
> Brian Palmer wrote:
> > This reminds me of all the linux guys saying "why not just use and 
> > improve
> > linux instead of writing your own". I say go ahead and have fun with it.
> >
> > My $0.02
> > Brian
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [e-mail]
> > [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Jason Filby
> > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 10:38 AM
> > To: [e-mail]
> > Subject: Re: [ros-general] writing file manager / how to use lex?
> >
> > Jan Tisje wrote:
> > > it seems to me, ROS exp is far from finished, too. and first view was 
> > > not what I was expecting from a file manager. Well, i do not know 
> > > anything about the internals. is anything
> >
> > available?
> > > Jan
> >
> > Hi Jan
> >
> > ROS Explorer being far from finished doesn't seem like a valid reason
> > to start from scratch again. There's no reason you can't write an 
> > alternative, but I do think that you should first consider furthering
> >
> > ROS Explorer. Another plus for ROS Explorer is that it's written in
> > C++ and can be compiled with MingW. A Delphi shell will not easily be 
> > included with the ReactOS distribution - but perhaps that's not what
> > you want anyway. These are not reasons not to begin work on your file 
> > manager - just things to be aware of before you begin.
> >
> > The webpage for ROS Explorer is here:
> > http://www.sky.franken.de/explorer/
> >
> > The source code is in the ReactOS source under:
> > reactos\subsys\system\explorer
> >
> > Cheers
> > Jason
> >
> > ros-general mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
>
> ros-general mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general

[Tom Lee Mullins]

Brian Palmer wrote:
> This reminds me of all the linux guys saying "why not just use and improve
> linux instead of writing your own". I say go ahead and have fun with it.
>
> My $0.02
> Brian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Jason Filby
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 10:38 AM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: [ros-general] writing file manager / how to use lex?
>
> Jan Tisje wrote:
> > it seems to me, ROS exp is far from finished, too. 
> > and first view was not what I was expecting from a file manager. 
> > Well, i do not know anything about the internals. is anything
>
> available?
> > Jan
>
> Hi Jan
>
> ROS Explorer being far from finished doesn't seem like a valid reason
> to 
> start from scratch again. There's no reason you can't write an 
> alternative, but I do think that you should first consider furthering
>
> ROS Explorer. Another plus for ROS Explorer is that it's written in
> C++ 
> and can be compiled with MingW. A Delphi shell will not easily be 
> included with the ReactOS distribution - but perhaps that's not what
> you 
> want anyway. These are not reasons not to begin work on your file 
> manager - just things to be aware of before you begin.
>
> The webpage for ROS Explorer is here:
> http://www.sky.franken.de/explorer/
>
> The source code is in the ReactOS source under:
> reactos\subsys\system\explorer
>
> Cheers
> Jason
>
> ros-general mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general

It seems to be what some are trying to do with the OSFree project - a clone
of IBM's OS/2 Warp ver 4.  http://www.osfree.org
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/osfree . I am hoping those working on
OSFree (and ReactOS) won't heed those words/comments since it might
bring both under scrutiny of SCO who seems to want to destroy Linux.

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[Tom Lee Mullins]

Jason Filby wrote:
> Jan Tisje wrote:
> > it seems to me, ROS exp is far from finished, too. 
> > and first view was not what I was expecting from a file manager. 
> > Well, i do not know anything about the internals. is anything
>
> available?
> > Jan
>
> Hi Jan
>
> ROS Explorer being far from finished doesn't seem like a valid reason
> to 
> start from scratch again. There's no reason you can't write an 
> alternative, but I do think that you should first consider furthering
>
> ROS Explorer. Another plus for ROS Explorer is that it's written in
> C++ 
> and can be compiled with MingW. A Delphi shell will not easily be 
> included with the ReactOS distribution - but perhaps that's not what
> you 
> want anyway. These are not reasons not to begin work on your file 
> manager - just things to be aware of before you begin.
>
> The webpage for ROS Explorer is here:
> http://www.sky.franken.de/explorer/
>
> The source code is in the ReactOS source under:
> reactos\subsys\system\explorer
>
> Cheers
> Jason
>
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Perhaps one could 'borrow' or 'be inspired' by other similar projects
at http://www.sourceforge.net ? (asking out of curiousity).

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