Re: [ros-general] OK, Time for a few words..

If I may add my 2 cents worth.
I too have a spot in my heart for Linux Gui's, both KDE and Gnome.
However the overheads are too high. So I have 3 three Thinkspads on the net.
and a comfortable swivel chair.
IMHO Linux is toooo fat and slow and badly designed, before I get flamed it is only MHO.
So I have tried to compromise (on Particulars, not on Principles).
This was my strategy (for what it is worth): 
Please remember it is only MHO, and not set in concrete.
 I chose the first Linux distro off the block i.e. Slackware because it stuck to basic
principles. Yes as simple as that. The old 1440 KB floppy disk (about the size of my
limited imagination).
I chose a basic Windows32 platform i.e. 9x
Then I worked on the tiny Linux's (Monkey Linux, and pocket Linux)
Until I discovered Pat Villani's  :
    Linux for Windows 9X
       Home page: http://www.monmouth.com/user_pages/patv/
       Download: ftp://opensourcedepot.com/pub/linux/WinLin9X/v0.2/setup.exe
      Author: Pat Villani (http://www.monmouth.com/user_pages/patv)
      Mailing list: lin4win(a)opensourcedepot.com
 It was great, it sat neatly in 18 MB.
Then I asked myself, "what the heck am I doing with nearly half a gig of
Windows98se?"
Not wanting to bring Microsoft down on my financially poor head:
I downloaded Australian product called 98Lite from LitePC.com (trial version)
I liked it so much I bought the real  thing.
 It gave me the opportunity to unbolt everything which Microsoft told the courts was not
possible to do.
 There she was, stripped from nearly half a gig to 50mb, stark naked, but looking like
Homer Simpson.
 The speed increase was fantastic. Now I am going for 30 mb, then 16, then 8, then
.......
The full story would take too long to tell, so I will leave it at that.
Suffice to say I have now dumped Linux and gone back to Unix BSD and bash.
That is when met Minsys and it was a good feeling.
I was Bourne again, bash'ed about the head, so to speak.
Oh I forgot there is a need for one extra doorway off ros-general  especially for me.
Mark it ros-insane.

Cheers and rosuccess

Justin

---- "Robert Köpferl" <rob(a)koepferl.de> wrote: 
>   Hhmmm, what you tink of is what I call a
> GDI-Port+win32 of xfree.
>  etc
>  Richard Campbell wrote:
> >   XFree86 has already been ported to windows, whats
> > the point in a ROS port?
> >  etc
> >  Robert Köpferl wrote:
> >  etc
> > >   It should be possible to port Xfree86 to ROS (be
> > > it win32 or posix) as 
> > >  it has been proted to os2.
> > > etc
> > >  TwoTailedFox wrote:
> > >  etc
> > > >   I've seen quite a few users propose ideas,
> > > > such as a new GUI, or new
> > > >  functionality, only to be told it doesn't fit in with the Core Goal of
> > > >  ReactOS.
> > > >  etc
> > > >  _______________________________________________
> > > >  ros-general mailing list
> > > >  ros-general(a)reactos.org
> > > >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > > >  
> > >  _______________________________________________
> > >  ros-general mailing list
> > >  ros-general(a)reactos.org
> > >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > >  
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  ros-general mailing list
> >  ros-general(a)reactos.org
> >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> >   
>  
>  _______________________________________________
>  ros-general mailing list
>  ros-general(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general

[Lyrical Nanoha]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, jwalsh(a)bigpond.net.au wrote:

>   If I may add my 2 cents worth.
>  I too have a spot in my heart for Linux Gui's, both KDE and Gnome.
>  However the overheads are too high. So I have 3 three Thinkspads on the net.
>  and a comfortable swivel chair. 
Try QVWM, FVWM or XFCE 3.8 and you'll see that a window manager doesn't 
have to be bloated.  All of those run nicely in 64 MB RAM and I have run 
QVWM and FVWM successfully on 32.  KDE otoh strains and groans in 64 MB.

>   Suffice to say I have now dumped Linux and gone back
> to Unix BSD and bash. 
Well, BSD isn't legitimately called "UNIX" anymore, but still.  BSD tools 
are lighter than GNU tools, and more efficient.  GNU itself is very 
bloated.

-uso.

[Kevin Lawton]

I had not heard of this 'LitePC' thing before - it sounds almost too good to be
true. 
Thanks for the info - I will be giving it a try to trim my Win 2000 installations down to
a more sensible size. 
Been down the Linux road too but, when you consider the current bulkiness of the more
'useful' Linux distros and the difficulties of using it with modern toys like
phones or cameras, I find I have to keep Windows hanging around - at least until ReactOS
is 'all present and correct'. FreeBSD is an interesting option for Unix-like-ness
on a PC, with Cygwin and Win4Lin having their place too. 
Dunno about ros-insane, maybe it should be ros-inspired.  
Plenty of new things to play with now.  :-)   
Kevin.    
   
>   -----Original Message-----
>  From: ros-general-bounces(a)reactos.org
>  [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of
>  jwalsh(a)bigpond.net.au
>  Sent: 20 October 2005 05:08
>  To: ReactOS General List
>  Cc: Robert Köpferl
>  Subject: Re: [ros-general] OK, Time for a few words..
>  
>  
>   
>  If I may add my 2 cents worth.
>  I too have a spot in my heart for Linux Gui's, both KDE and Gnome.
>  However the overheads are too high. So I have 3 three Thinkspads 
>  on the net.
>  and a comfortable swivel chair.
>  IMHO Linux is toooo fat and slow and badly designed, before I get 
>  flamed it is only MHO.
>  So I have tried to compromise (on Particulars, not on Principles).
>  This was my strategy (for what it is worth): 
>  Please remember it is only MHO, and not set in concrete.
>   I chose the first Linux distro off the block i.e. Slackware 
>  because it stuck to basic principles. Yes as simple as that. The 
>  old 1440 KB floppy disk (about the size of my limited imagination).
>  I chose a basic Windows32 platform i.e. 9x
>  Then I worked on the tiny Linux's (Monkey Linux, and pocket Linux)
>  Until I discovered Pat Villani's  :
>      Linux for Windows 9X
>         Home page: http://www.monmouth.com/user_pages/patv/
>         Download: 
>  ftp://opensourcedepot.com/pub/linux/WinLin9X/v0.2/setup.exe
>        Author: Pat Villani (http://www.monmouth.com/user_pages/patv)
>        Mailing list: lin4win(a)opensourcedepot.com
>   It was great, it sat neatly in 18 MB.
>  Then I asked myself, "what the heck am I doing with nearly half a 
>  gig of Windows98se?"
>  Not wanting to bring Microsoft down on my financially poor head:
>  I downloaded Australian product called 98Lite from LitePC.com 
>  (trial version)
>  I liked it so much I bought the real  thing.
>   It gave me the opportunity to unbolt everything which Microsoft 
>  told the courts was not possible to do.
>   There she was, stripped from nearly half a gig to 50mb, stark 
>  naked, but looking like Homer Simpson.
>   The speed increase was fantastic. Now I am going for 30 mb, then 
>  16, then 8, then .......
>  The full story would take too long to tell, so I will leave it at that.
>  Suffice to say I have now dumped Linux and gone back to Unix BSD and bash.
>  That is when met Minsys and it was a good feeling.
>  I was Bourne again, bash'ed about the head, so to speak.
>  Oh I forgot there is a need for one extra doorway off ros-general 
>   especially for me.
>  Mark it ros-insane.
>  
>  Cheers and rosuccess
>  
>  Justin
>  
>  ---- "Robert Köpferl" <rob(a)koepferl.de> wrote: 
> >   Hhmmm, what you tink of is what I call a
> > GDI-Port+win32 of xfree.
> >  etc
> >  Richard Campbell wrote:
> >  > XFree86 has already been ported to windows, whats the point  
>  in a ROS port?
> >   > etc
> >  > Robert Köpferl wrote:
> >  > etc
> >  >> It should be possible to port Xfree86 to ROS (be it win32 or  
>  posix) as 
> >   >> it has been proted to os2.
> >  >>etc
> >  >> TwoTailedFox wrote:
> >  >> etc
> >  >>> I've seen quite a few users propose ideas, such as a new GUI, or new
> >  >>> functionality, only to be told it doesn't fit in with the  
>  Core
> Goal of
> > > >  > ReactOS.
> > > > > etc
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > ros-general mailing list
> > > > > ros-general(a)reactos.org
> > > > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > > > >
> > > >  _______________________________________________
> > > >  ros-general mailing list
> > > >  ros-general(a)reactos.org
> > > >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > > >  
> > >  _______________________________________________
> > >  ros-general mailing list
> > >  ros-general(a)reactos.org
> > >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > >   
> >  
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  ros-general mailing list
> >  ros-general(a)reactos.org
> >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general 
>  
>  _______________________________________________
>  ros-general mailing list
>  ros-general(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
>

[TwoTailedFox]

Kevin, if you're looking to slim down Windows 2000 (Or XP/2003, for
that matter), check out nLite: http://www.nliteos.com

On 10/20/05, Kevin Lawton <kepla(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>   I had not heard of this 'LitePC' thing before
> - it sounds almost too good to be true.
>  Thanks for the info - I will be giving it a try to trim my Win 2000 installations down to
> a more sensible size.
>  Been down the Linux road too but, when you consider the current bulkiness of the more
> 'useful' Linux distros and the difficulties of using it with modern toys like
> phones or cameras, I find I have to keep Windows hanging around - at least until ReactOS
> is 'all present and correct'. FreeBSD is an interesting option for Unix-like-ness
> on a PC, with Cygwin and Win4Lin having their place too.
>  Dunno about ros-insane, maybe it should be ros-inspired.
>  Plenty of new things to play with now.  :-)
>  Kevin.
>
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >  From: ros-general-bounces(a)reactos.org
> >  [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of
> >  jwalsh(a)bigpond.net.au
> >  Sent: 20 October 2005 05:08
> >  To: ReactOS General List
> >  Cc: Robert Köpferl
> >  Subject: Re: [ros-general] OK, Time for a few words..
> >
> >
> >
> >  If I may add my 2 cents worth.
> >  I too have a spot in my heart for Linux Gui's, both KDE and Gnome.
> >  However the overheads are too high. So I have 3 three Thinkspads
> >  on the net.
> >  and a comfortable swivel chair.
> >  IMHO Linux is toooo fat and slow and badly designed, before I get
> >  flamed it is only MHO.
> >  So I have tried to compromise (on Particulars, not on Principles).
> >  This was my strategy (for what it is worth):
> >  Please remember it is only MHO, and not set in concrete.
> >   I chose the first Linux distro off the block i.e. Slackware
> >  because it stuck to basic principles. Yes as simple as that. The
> >  old 1440 KB floppy disk (about the size of my limited imagination).
> >  I chose a basic Windows32 platform i.e. 9x
> >  Then I worked on the tiny Linux's (Monkey Linux, and pocket Linux)
> >  Until I discovered Pat Villani's  :
> >      Linux for Windows 9X
> >         Home page: http://www.monmouth.com/user_pages/patv/
> >         Download:
> >  ftp://opensourcedepot.com/pub/linux/WinLin9X/v0.2/setup.exe
> >        Author: Pat Villani (http://www.monmouth.com/user_pages/patv)
> >        Mailing list: lin4win(a)opensourcedepot.com
> >   It was great, it sat neatly in 18 MB.
> >  Then I asked myself, "what the heck am I doing with nearly half a
> >  gig of Windows98se?"
> >  Not wanting to bring Microsoft down on my financially poor head:
> >  I downloaded Australian product called 98Lite from LitePC.com
> >  (trial version)
> >  I liked it so much I bought the real  thing.
> >   It gave me the opportunity to unbolt everything which Microsoft
> >  told the courts was not possible to do.
> >   There she was, stripped from nearly half a gig to 50mb, stark
> >  naked, but looking like Homer Simpson.
> >   The speed increase was fantastic. Now I am going for 30 mb, then
> >  16, then 8, then .......
> >  The full story would take too long to tell, so I will leave it at that.
> >  Suffice to say I have now dumped Linux and gone back to Unix BSD and bash.
> >  That is when met Minsys and it was a good feeling.
> >  I was Bourne again, bash'ed about the head, so to speak.
> >  Oh I forgot there is a need for one extra doorway off ros-general
> >   especially for me.
> >  Mark it ros-insane.
> >
> >  Cheers and rosuccess
> >
> >  Justin
> >
> >  ---- "Robert Köpferl" <rob(a)koepferl.de> wrote:
> > >   Hhmmm, what you tink of is what I call a
> > > GDI-Port+win32 of xfree.
> > >  etc
> > >  Richard Campbell wrote:
> > >  > XFree86 has already been ported to windows, whats the point 
> >  in a ROS port?
> > >   > etc
> > >  > Robert Köpferl wrote:
> > >  > etc
> > >  >> It should be possible to port Xfree86 to ROS (be it win32 or 
> >  posix) as
> > >   >> it has been proted to os2.
> > >  >>etc
> > >  >> TwoTailedFox wrote:
> > >  >> etc
> > >  >>> I've seen quite a few users propose ideas, such as a new GUI, or new
> > >  >>> functionality, only to be told it doesn't fit in with the 
> >  Core
> > Goal of
> > > >  >>
> > > > ReactOS.
> > > > >> etc
> > > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > > >> ros-general mailing list
> > > > >> ros-general(a)reactos.org
> > > > >> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > > > >>
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > ros-general mailing list
> > > > > ros-general(a)reactos.org
> > > > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > > > >
> > > >  _______________________________________________
> > > >  ros-general mailing list
> > > >  ros-general(a)reactos.org
> > > >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > > >  
> > >  _______________________________________________
> > >  ros-general mailing list
> > >  ros-general(a)reactos.org
> > >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general 
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  ros-general mailing list
> >  ros-general(a)reactos.org
> >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> >  
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  ros-general mailing list
>  ros-general(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
>  

--
"I had a handle on life, but then it broke"

[Kevin Lawton]

Thanks, nLite - another interesting one.
It seems as if I am going to have a busy day !
Kevin.

>   -----Original Message-----
>  From: ros-general-bounces(a)reactos.org
>  [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of TwoTailedFox
>  Sent: 20 October 2005 11:05
>  To: ReactOS General List
>  Subject: Re: [ros-general] OK, Time for a few words..
>
>
>  Kevin, if you're looking to slim down Windows 2000 (Or XP/2003, for
>  that matter), check out nLite: http://www.nliteos.com
>
>  On 10/20/05, Kevin Lawton <kepla(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
> >   I had not heard of this 'LitePC' thing
> > before - it sounds 
>  almost too good to be true.
> >   Thanks for the info - I will be giving it a try
> > to trim my Win 
>  2000 installations down to a more sensible size.
> >   Been down the Linux road too but, when you
> > consider the current 
>  bulkiness of the more 'useful' Linux distros and the
> difficulties
>  of using it with modern toys like phones or cameras, I find I
>  have to keep Windows hanging around - at least until ReactOS is
>  'all present and correct'. FreeBSD is an interesting option for
>  Unix-like-ness on a PC, with Cygwin and Win4Lin having their place too.
> >   Dunno about ros-insane, maybe it should be
> > ros-inspired.
> >  Plenty of new things to play with now.  :-)
> >  Kevin.
> >
> >  > -----Original Message-----
> >  > From: ros-general-bounces(a)reactos.org
> >  > [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of
> >  > jwalsh(a)bigpond.net.au
> >  > Sent: 20 October 2005 05:08
> >  > To: ReactOS General List
> >  > Cc: Robert Köpferl
> >  > Subject: Re: [ros-general] OK, Time for a few words..
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > If I may add my 2 cents worth.
> >  > I too have a spot in my heart for Linux Gui's, both KDE and Gnome.
> >  > However the overheads are too high. So I have 3 three Thinkspads
> >  > on the net.
> >  > and a comfortable swivel chair.
> >  > IMHO Linux is toooo fat and slow and badly designed, before I get
> >  > flamed it is only MHO.
> >  > So I have tried to compromise (on Particulars, not on Principles).
> >  > This was my strategy (for what it is worth):
> >  > Please remember it is only MHO, and not set in concrete.
> >  >  I chose the first Linux distro off the block i.e. Slackware
> >  > because it stuck to basic principles. Yes as simple as that. The
> >  > old 1440 KB floppy disk (about the size of my limited imagination).
> >  > I chose a basic Windows32 platform i.e. 9x
> >  > Then I worked on the tiny Linux's (Monkey Linux, and pocket Linux)
> >  > Until I discovered Pat Villani's  :
> >  >     Linux for Windows 9X
> >  >        Home page: http://www.monmouth.com/user_pages/patv/
> >  >        Download:
> >  > ftp://opensourcedepot.com/pub/linux/WinLin9X/v0.2/setup.exe
> >  >       Author: Pat Villani (http://www.monmouth.com/user_pages/patv)
> >  >       Mailing list: lin4win(a)opensourcedepot.com
> >  >  It was great, it sat neatly in 18 MB.
> >  > Then I asked myself, "what the heck am I doing with nearly half a
> >  > gig of Windows98se?"
> >  > Not wanting to bring Microsoft down on my financially poor head:
> >  > I downloaded Australian product called 98Lite from LitePC.com
> >  > (trial version)
> >  > I liked it so much I bought the real  thing.
> >  >  It gave me the opportunity to unbolt everything which Microsoft
> >  > told the courts was not possible to do.
> >  >  There she was, stripped from nearly half a gig to 50mb, stark
> >  > naked, but looking like Homer Simpson.
> >  >  The speed increase was fantastic. Now I am going for 30 mb, then
> >  > 16, then 8, then .......
> >  > The full story would take too long to tell, so I will leave 
>  it at that.
> >   > Suffice to say I have now dumped Linux and
> > gone back to Unix 
>  BSD and bash.
> >   > That is when met Minsys and it was a good
> > feeling.
> >  > I was Bourne again, bash'ed about the head, so to speak.
> >  > Oh I forgot there is a need for one extra doorway off ros-general
> >  >  especially for me.
> >  > Mark it ros-insane.
> >  >
> >  > Cheers and rosuccess
> >  >
> >  > Justin
> >  >
> >  > ---- "Robert Köpferl" <rob(a)koepferl.de> wrote:
> >  > > Hhmmm, what you tink of is what I call a GDI-Port+win32 of xfree.
> >  > > etc
> >  > > Richard Campbell wrote:
> >  > > > XFree86 has already been ported to windows, whats the point
> >  > in a ROS port?
> >  > > > etc
> >  > > > Robert Köpferl wrote:
> >  > > > etc
> >  > > >> It should be possible to port Xfree86 to ROS (be it win32 or
> >  > posix) as
> >  > > >> it has been proted to os2.
> >  > > >>etc
> >  > > >> TwoTailedFox wrote:
> >  > > >> etc
> >  > > >>> I've seen quite a few users propose ideas, such as a 
> new GUI, or new
> > > >   >>> functionality, only to be told it
> > > > doesn't fit in with the 
> > >  Core Goal of
> > > >   >>> ReactOS.
> > > >  >>> etc
> > > >  >>> _______________________________________________
> > > >  >>> ros-general mailing list
> > > >  >>> ros-general(a)reactos.org
> > > >  >>> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > > >  >>>
> > > >  >> _______________________________________________
> > > >  >> ros-general mailing list
> > > >  >> ros-general(a)reactos.org
> > > >  >> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > > >  >>
> > > >  > _______________________________________________
> > > >  > ros-general mailing list
> > > >  > ros-general(a)reactos.org
> > > >  > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > > >  >
> > > >
> > > >  _______________________________________________
> > > >  ros-general mailing list
> > > >  ros-general(a)reactos.org
> > > >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general 
> > >  _______________________________________________
> > >  ros-general mailing list
> > >  ros-general(a)reactos.org
> > >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > >  
> >
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  ros-general mailing list
> >  ros-general(a)reactos.org
> >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> >  
>
>  --
>  "I had a handle on life, but then it broke"
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  ros-general mailing list
>  ros-general(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general