Re: [ros-general] Re: ReactOS UI Team - Concept, Plan, and: help wanted

[Richard Campbell]

1)  Well, we should be aiming for a windows 2000 look and feel.  UI 
Enhancements should be a 3rd party addon, not bundled with ROS, or at 
least not the default.  Changing the way a proven UI works is a recipe 
for disaster.

mf wrote:

>   Mikko Tikkanen wrote:
>
> >   Aye. I'm still in. Just have been a tad busy.
> > I've been watching my
> >  mail but that's about it but since I started my school few weeks ago I
> >  have more time on my hands. At least when project deadlines aren't
> >  pushing too close. 
>
>  Great.
>
> >   The school also has new advantages; since I'm
> > studying UI/usability
> >  design I could do some actual user testing, with live subjects. I
> >  could also get artists involved as the schools also has art teaching. 
>
>  Be careful not to make ReactOS into some kind of guinea pig for
>  eccentric design though. One of the most important goals for ReactOS,
>  interface-wise, is not requiring any retraining for people switching
>  from Windows.
>
>  Max Well wrote:
>
> >   As you said, there are already two UI designer,
> > so I would like to
> >  redesign the setup. 
>  I believe the setup is already being UI-ified. Contact Alex Ionescu for
>  details. See also:
>  http://www.reactos.org/wiki/index.php/Alex_Ionescu/RosGooeySetup
>
>  Richard Campbell wrote:
>
> >   I don't think i quite understand this...Are
> > you saying we should develop
> >  a new UI?  I don't think so. The Windows UI is standard, and several
> >  million users KNOW this UI.  Our UI should be kept as close as possible
> >  to windows without breaking any laws. 
>  I honestly don't know where you got this idea from, but we will be
>  staying close to the Windows feel, as I explained above.
>
>  jwalsh(a)bigpond.net.au wrote:
>
> >   Richard is correct.
> >  I understand the statement below as a recipe for suicide.
> >  If you are having trouble getting skills on the ground now, this will  
>  make sure you never do.
>
> >   Being SLAPP'ed by a multibillion business is
> > no picnic. 
>  What's this, chinese whispering? What exactly did I say we're going to
>  do which is going to make msft get interested in SLAPPing us? I'm
>  calling for help to improve our UI which currently is somewhere in the
>  pre-win95 age.
>
>  Martin Fuchs wrote:
>
> >   Yes, that's the best way: Write down what you
> > intend to implement
> >  exactly on the Wiki or in Bugzilla. I will help in explorer, winefile
> >  and ibrowser as far as possible. But my available time is limited.
> >  Branching the code is possible, if you want to change explorer
> >  completely. But I would prefer to maintain only one code base. The
> >  already existing "lean-explorer" branch may be enough.  ;-) 
>  First off, PLEASE reply ONLY in ros-general. My initial mail states:
>
> >   Please reply to this mail only on the general
> > list or to me in person
> >  (if you're not on the list and only get digests), it is only
> >  crossposted in ros-dev to get a wider range of attention. 
>
>  Keeping track of conversation on multiple lists is only confusing. 
>  Thanks.
>  As for your suggestion, I'd like to say that I personally dislike
>  indirect communication like the wiki or bugzilla. Stuff gets done in a
>  fraction of the time if you can reach a quick concensus by means of word
>  exchange. I don't know why you seem to avoid IRC, but mailing list seems
>  alright with me as well. Seeing that you're as "in charge" of the look
>  of explorer as you currently are, maybe it would be beneficial if you
>  would join the UI Team yourself? Just a suggestion :).
>
>  Cheers,
>
>  mf.
>
>
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