[Fwd: Help & contact!]

[James Tabor]

Hi
Did everyone get this too?
James


Date: 	Sat, 2 Jul 2005 16:31:03 +0200
From: 	Rafa? <rafkup(a)gmail.com>




Hi.

I am writing to you in the name of all BetaComp Team members, because
we're thinking, that you are the best from the best. We make new
operating system firstly based on ReactOS <http://www.reactos.com
<http://www.reactos.com/>> (the part of you work on ReactOS or did it in
the past). Why base on ReactOS? The answer is very simple. HostiliX
(this is a name of our OS) is compatible with Windows(R) and ReactOS is
compatible with Microsoft(C) product too, so we based HostiliX on
ReactOS, because we don't want to waste our time to do something what is
already done. Now suggest next question: Why are we doing Windows(R)
clone? We are not making a Windows clone! Just most hardware
manufacturers do drivers only for Windows(R), so we want to HostiliX be
able to use it. We don't have time to do drivers! The same situation is
with Windows applications. Most users need Windows(R) software. We want
to permit them to use free operating system and them's favourite
software. But running Windows software isn't our priority!
We want to make new, fast, stable and secure operating system. It will
have its' own SubSystem using CygWin, or CygWin clone, so it will run
modified Linux applications. POSIX SubSystem must be modified of course.
There won't be root directory (/). All ported from Linux to HostiliX
software will use drive letters like A:, C:, (...). The will be also
OS/2(R) and DOS(R) SubSystems.


FAQ:

Q: How want we to do drive letters in ported from Linux software?
A: We want to modify libraries like GTK and QT (dialog windows) and add
into it drive litters support. PosiX Layer will modify all slashes to
backslash and if any program want to access / directory PosiX Layer will
translate it to for example C:\HostiliX\System32\Posix where will be
usr, bin, sbin and folders. Directory structure of Posix dir will be
compatible with Unix directory structure. All drive letters will have
shortcuts (will be mounted) somewhere in this directory. Using modified
open/save/etc dialog windows user will feel that he uses any Windows
application.

Q: What's our pririty?
A: Make HostiliX stable fast and secure with all features like logging
in/out, switching user, shutting down system (power off, reboot and
hibernate).

Q: Will be hibernate just a hibernate? :P
A: No! When system call hibernate process it will close all network
connections and then unload drivers to all network hardware. Then will
hibernate computer. After user power on computer again HostiliX will
boot up from hibernation and then loads again unloaded before
hibernation process drivers. What it adds? Let's imagine that you have
Sagem Fast 800 ADSL Modem Connected to USB. When you power off your
computer, driver will load, but modem will be unsynchronised with line.
HostiliX will load this driver again, synchronise modem and connect to
Internet again.

Q: Why don't we help ReactOS Team?
A: There's a few reasons. First: We don't want to do Windows clone.
HostiliX will be only able to load Windows(R) drivers and run Windows(R)
software, when we will do more and repair existing I/O Functions.
Second: Windows software compatibility isn't our priority! Third: We
don't like ReactOS Team policy. They're doing anything like this in
Windows(R). They even cloned Explorer. We only want to compatible with
Windows(R) startup, shutdown (without hibernate), login processes. But
it won't looks like Windows. HostiliX will have its' own GUI (it's GDI +
XOrg with theming support).

If you have any other questions to us, if something isn't clear, please
write to me. I'll reply and answer to all your questions!

Why I write to you? Because we (BetaComp Team) think, that you're the
best from the best. We need more people to write really good OS. If you
have free time and want to make really great Operating System for home
and business please help us! Please reply.

I look forward to hearing from you.


Yours faithfully,
Rafal Kupiec
BetaComp Team

[Martin Fuchs]

2005/7/2, James Tabor <jimtabor(a)adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net>et>:
>   Hi
>  Did everyone get this too?
>  James 
>   Date:   Sat, 2 Jul 2005 16:31:03 +0200
>  [...]
>  From:   Rafa? <rafkup(a)gmail.com>
>  Q: Why don't we help ReactOS Team?
>  A: There's a few reasons. First: We don't want to do Windows clone.
>  HostiliX will be only able to load Windows(R) drivers and run Windows(R)
>  software, when we will do more and repair existing I/O Functions.
>  Second: Windows software compatibility isn't our priority! Third: We
>  don't like ReactOS Team policy. They're doing anything like this in
>  Windows(R). They even cloned Explorer. We only want to compatible with
>  Windows(R) startup, shutdown (without hibernate), login processes. But
>  it won't looks like Windows. HostiliX will have its' own GUI (it's GDI +
>  XOrg with theming support). 
Of course I didn't get this mail because I "even cloned Explorer".  ;-)

[James Tabor]

Martin Fuchs wrote:
>   2005/7/2, James Tabor
> <jimtabor(a)adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net>et>:
>  
> >  Hi
> > Did everyone get this too?
> > James 
>  
>  
> >  Date:   Sat, 2 Jul 2005 16:31:03 +0200
> > [...]
> > From:   Rafa? <rafkup(a)gmail.com>
> > Q: Why don't we help ReactOS Team?
> > A: There's a few reasons. First: We don't want to do Windows clone.
> > HostiliX will be only able to load Windows(R) drivers and run Windows(R)
> > software, when we will do more and repair existing I/O Functions.
> > Second: Windows software compatibility isn't our priority! Third: We
> > don't like ReactOS Team policy. They're doing anything like this in
> > Windows(R). They even cloned Explorer. We only want to compatible with
> > Windows(R) startup, shutdown (without hibernate), login processes. But
> > it won't looks like Windows. HostiliX will have its' own GUI (it's GDI +
> > XOrg with theming support). 
>  
>  
>  Of course I didn't get this mail because I "even cloned Explorer".  ;-)
>   

Yeah, port Xpde gui to windows with Delphi. http://www.xpde.com
James

[Tom Lee Mullins]

James Tabor wrote:

>   Hi
>  Did everyone get this too?
>  James
>
>
>  Date:     Sat, 2 Jul 2005 16:31:03 +0200
>  From:     Rafa? <rafkup(a)gmail.com>
>
>
>
>
>  Hi.
>
>  I am writing to you in the name of all BetaComp Team members, because
>  we're thinking, that you are the best from the best. We make new
>  operating system firstly based on ReactOS <http://www.reactos.com
>  <http://www.reactos.com/>> (the part of you work on ReactOS or did it in
>  the past). Why base on ReactOS? The answer is very simple. HostiliX
>  (this is a name of our OS) is compatible with Windows(R) and ReactOS is
>  compatible with Microsoft(C) product too, so we based HostiliX on
>  ReactOS, because we don't want to waste our time to do something what is
>  already done. Now suggest next question: Why are we doing Windows(R)
>  clone? We are not making a Windows clone! Just most hardware
>  manufacturers do drivers only for Windows(R), so we want to HostiliX be
>  able to use it. We don't have time to do drivers! The same situation is
>  with Windows applications. Most users need Windows(R) software. We want
>  to permit them to use free operating system and them's favourite
>  software. But running Windows software isn't our priority!
>  We want to make new, fast, stable and secure operating system. It will
>  have its' own SubSystem using CygWin, or CygWin clone, so it will run
>  modified Linux applications. POSIX SubSystem must be modified of course.
>  There won't be root directory (/). All ported from Linux to HostiliX
>  software will use drive letters like A:, C:, (...). The will be also
>  OS/2(R) and DOS(R) SubSystems.
>
>
>  FAQ:
>
>  Q: How want we to do drive letters in ported from Linux software?
>  A: We want to modify libraries like GTK and QT (dialog windows) and add
>  into it drive litters support. PosiX Layer will modify all slashes to
>  backslash and if any program want to access / directory PosiX Layer will
>  translate it to for example C:\HostiliX\System32\Posix where will be
>  usr, bin, sbin and folders. Directory structure of Posix dir will be
>  compatible with Unix directory structure. All drive letters will have
>  shortcuts (will be mounted) somewhere in this directory. Using modified
>  open/save/etc dialog windows user will feel that he uses any Windows
>  application.
>
>  Q: What's our pririty?
>  A: Make HostiliX stable fast and secure with all features like logging
>  in/out, switching user, shutting down system (power off, reboot and
>  hibernate).
>
>  Q: Will be hibernate just a hibernate? :P
>  A: No! When system call hibernate process it will close all network
>  connections and then unload drivers to all network hardware. Then will
>  hibernate computer. After user power on computer again HostiliX will
>  boot up from hibernation and then loads again unloaded before
>  hibernation process drivers. What it adds? Let's imagine that you have
>  Sagem Fast 800 ADSL Modem Connected to USB. When you power off your
>  computer, driver will load, but modem will be unsynchronised with line.
>  HostiliX will load this driver again, synchronise modem and connect to
>  Internet again.
>
>  Q: Why don't we help ReactOS Team?
>  A: There's a few reasons. First: We don't want to do Windows clone.
>  HostiliX will be only able to load Windows(R) drivers and run Windows(R)
>  software, when we will do more and repair existing I/O Functions.
>  Second: Windows software compatibility isn't our priority! Third: We
>  don't like ReactOS Team policy. They're doing anything like this in
>  Windows(R). They even cloned Explorer. We only want to compatible with
>  Windows(R) startup, shutdown (without hibernate), login processes. But
>  it won't looks like Windows. HostiliX will have its' own GUI (it's GDI +
>  XOrg with theming support).
>
>  If you have any other questions to us, if something isn't clear, please
>  write to me. I'll reply and answer to all your questions!
>
>  Why I write to you? Because we (BetaComp Team) think, that you're the
>  best from the best. We need more people to write really good OS. If you
>  have free time and want to make really great Operating System for home
>  and business please help us! Please reply.
>
>  I look forward to hearing from you.
>
>
>  Yours faithfully,
>  Rafal Kupiec
>  BetaComp Team
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  ros-general mailing list
>  ros-general(a)reactos.com
>  http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
>  
It is the first time I heard about them.
If they don't want to do a Win clone,
why base it on ReactOS? (which is a
Win clone).

-- 


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[TwoTailedFox]

ROS isn't a Windows Clone. It's designed to be 'Windows Compatible',
but not an outright 'Clone'.

On 7/4/05, Tom Lee Mullins <tomleem(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>   James Tabor wrote:
>  
> >   Hi
> >  Did everyone get this too?
> >  James
> >
> >
> >  Date:     Sat, 2 Jul 2005 16:31:03 +0200
> >  From:     Rafa? <rafkup(a)gmail.com>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  Hi.
> >
> >  I am writing to you in the name of all BetaComp Team members, because
> >  we're thinking, that you are the best from the best. We make new
> >  operating system firstly based on ReactOS <http://www.reactos.com
> >  <http://www.reactos.com/>> (the part of you work on ReactOS or did it in
> >  the past). Why base on ReactOS? The answer is very simple. HostiliX
> >  (this is a name of our OS) is compatible with Windows(R) and ReactOS is
> >  compatible with Microsoft(C) product too, so we based HostiliX on
> >  ReactOS, because we don't want to waste our time to do something what is
> >  already done. Now suggest next question: Why are we doing Windows(R)
> >  clone? We are not making a Windows clone! Just most hardware
> >  manufacturers do drivers only for Windows(R), so we want to HostiliX be
> >  able to use it. We don't have time to do drivers! The same situation is
> >  with Windows applications. Most users need Windows(R) software. We want
> >  to permit them to use free operating system and them's favourite
> >  software. But running Windows software isn't our priority!
> >  We want to make new, fast, stable and secure operating system. It will
> >  have its' own SubSystem using CygWin, or CygWin clone, so it will run
> >  modified Linux applications. POSIX SubSystem must be modified of course.
> >  There won't be root directory (/). All ported from Linux to HostiliX
> >  software will use drive letters like A:, C:, (...). The will be also
> >  OS/2(R) and DOS(R) SubSystems.
> >
> >
> >  FAQ:
> >
> >  Q: How want we to do drive letters in ported from Linux software?
> >  A: We want to modify libraries like GTK and QT (dialog windows) and add
> >  into it drive litters support. PosiX Layer will modify all slashes to
> >  backslash and if any program want to access / directory PosiX Layer will
> >  translate it to for example C:\HostiliX\System32\Posix where will be
> >  usr, bin, sbin and folders. Directory structure of Posix dir will be
> >  compatible with Unix directory structure. All drive letters will have
> >  shortcuts (will be mounted) somewhere in this directory. Using modified
> >  open/save/etc dialog windows user will feel that he uses any Windows
> >  application.
> >
> >  Q: What's our pririty?
> >  A: Make HostiliX stable fast and secure with all features like logging
> >  in/out, switching user, shutting down system (power off, reboot and
> >  hibernate).
> >
> >  Q: Will be hibernate just a hibernate? :P
> >  A: No! When system call hibernate process it will close all network
> >  connections and then unload drivers to all network hardware. Then will
> >  hibernate computer. After user power on computer again HostiliX will
> >  boot up from hibernation and then loads again unloaded before
> >  hibernation process drivers. What it adds? Let's imagine that you have
> >  Sagem Fast 800 ADSL Modem Connected to USB. When you power off your
> >  computer, driver will load, but modem will be unsynchronised with line.
> >  HostiliX will load this driver again, synchronise modem and connect to
> >  Internet again.
> >
> >  Q: Why don't we help ReactOS Team?
> >  A: There's a few reasons. First: We don't want to do Windows clone.
> >  HostiliX will be only able to load Windows(R) drivers and run Windows(R)
> >  software, when we will do more and repair existing I/O Functions.
> >  Second: Windows software compatibility isn't our priority! Third: We
> >  don't like ReactOS Team policy. They're doing anything like this in
> >  Windows(R). They even cloned Explorer. We only want to compatible with
> >  Windows(R) startup, shutdown (without hibernate), login processes. But
> >  it won't looks like Windows. HostiliX will have its' own GUI (it's GDI +
> >  XOrg with theming support).
> >
> >  If you have any other questions to us, if something isn't clear, please
> >  write to me. I'll reply and answer to all your questions!
> >
> >  Why I write to you? Because we (BetaComp Team) think, that you're the
> >  best from the best. We need more people to write really good OS. If you
> >  have free time and want to make really great Operating System for home
> >  and business please help us! Please reply.
> >
> >  I look forward to hearing from you.
> >
> >
> >  Yours faithfully,
> >  Rafal Kupiec
> >  BetaComp Team
> >
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  ros-general mailing list
> >  ros-general(a)reactos.com
> >  http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> >  
>  It is the first time I heard about them.
>  If they don't want to do a Win clone,
>  why base it on ReactOS? (which is a
>  Win clone).
>  
>  --
>  
>  
>  TomLeeM
>  * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>  http://www.ecomstation.com
>   * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>  http://tomleem.homestead.com
>  * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>  
>  _______________________________________________
>  ros-general mailing list
>  ros-general(a)reactos.com
>  http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
>   

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[K McI]

Tom Lee Mullins wrote:
>   It is the first time I heard about them.
>  If they don't want to do a Win clone,
>  why base it on ReactOS? (which is a
>  Win clone). 
If it is, I suggest you look back through the mailing list archives for
'HostiliX' and check up on them to get the full story to date.

             -uQ

[Alex Vancina]

On Mon, 2005-07-04 at 14:34 -0400, Tom Lee Mullins wrote:
>   It is the first time I heard about them.
>  If they don't want to do a Win clone,
>  why base it on ReactOS? (which is a
>  Win clone). 
I think the key here is that they're trying to be Windows *compatible*
without really cloning it (i.e. look & feel). 

It sounds like driver compatibility is high on their priority list. It's
an interesting idea since one of the hardest parts of building a new OS
is hardware support. Windows drivers are available for pretty much
everything, so if you can reuse those it saves a huge amount of work.   

Alex

[Hartmut Birr]

James Tabor wrote:

>   Hi
>  Did everyone get this too?
>  James
>
>  
I got the same mail.

- Hartmut

[TwoTailedFox]

Me too.

On 7/4/05, Hartmut Birr <hartmut.birr(a)gmx.de> wrote:
>   James Tabor wrote:
>  
> >   Hi
> >  Did everyone get this too?
> >  James
> >
> >  
>  
>  I got the same mail.
>  
>  - Hartmut
>  _______________________________________________
>  ros-general mailing list
>  ros-general(a)reactos.com
>  http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
>   

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