ReactOS 0.3.0 TODO

[Steven Edwards]

Hello All,
Well Arty and Alex along with a lot of help from others have networking
almost to a usable state. So far the wish/feature list includes:

- OpenOffice
 - FireFox
 - IRC
 - CVS
 - SEH (done?)

Lets get some ideas of other things that need to be fixed or
implemented. Sound support is going to be a post 0.3.0 bug for me as I
dont have the time or knowlege to try and fix winmm/mmdrv. If you want
to see sound on 0.3.0 you need to step up to the plate.

Thanks
Steven

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On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 01:12:10PM -0700, Steven Edwards wrote:
> Hello All,
> Well Arty and Alex along with a lot of help from others have networking
> almost to a usable state. So far the wish/feature list includes:
> OpenOffice
> FireFox
> IRC
> CVS
> SEH (done?)
>
> Lets get some ideas of other things that need to be fixed or
> implemented. Sound support is going to be a post 0.3.0 bug for me as I
> dont have the time or knowlege to try and fix winmm/mmdrv. If you want
> to see sound on 0.3.0 you need to step up to the plate.

As i said before i like it best when each release has one distinguising
feature (even subreleases). The obvious feature for 0.3.0 would be
networking, so even though it would be nice that say SEH works (which i
understood is really sweet, but says nothing to end users i think) and
that openoffice works, i think we should bring it as the big networking
release.

So imho 'networking' should work. So a user should get the feeling
networking works. So for this above mentioned apps which should work:

-firefox
-cvs
rather define a set of clients here, if tcp/ip works cvs should work,
but of course not every client will, so maybe limit it to cvs
commandline, wincvs and tortoisecvs?
-irc
here this is even more true, we should pick a few, most importantly mirc
and probably a open-source one, like xchat?

I'm missing email here (second most used internet application?), so
maybe we could add thunderbird as well?

So list of applications recap:

-firefox
-commandline cvs
-wincvs
-tortoisecvs
-mirc
-xchat
-thunderbird

All other applications working (like openoffice) would be very nice, but
i don't see why it should be a goal for 0.3.0. Of course i understand
lots of people won't agree on the focussing on one feature, but i think
it will make for better headlines, and mouth-to-mouth ('networking on
ros works' is a lot easier to tell around than a list of apps working).

Mark

[Filip Navara]

Mark IJbema wrote:
> As i said before i like it best when each release has one distinguising
> feature (even subreleases). The obvious feature for 0.3.0 would be
> networking, so even though it would be nice that say SEH works (which i
> understood is really sweet, but says nothing to end users i think) and
> that openoffice works, i think we should bring it as the big networking
> release.

Agreed. BTW, according to my knowledge SEH already works, just we don't 
use it for the system calls yet.
> So imho 'networking' should work. So a user should get the feeling
> networking works. So for this above mentioned apps which should work:
>
> -firefox
> -cvs
> rather define a set of clients here, if tcp/ip works cvs should work,
> but of course not every client will, so maybe limit it to cvs
> commandline, wincvs and tortoisecvs?

I'm unsure about pushing TortoiseCVS for 0.3.0. Not matter how much I 
like it, it's a shell extension and it might require a lot of work.
> -irc
> here this is even more true, we should pick a few, most importantly mirc
> and probably a open-source one, like xchat?

mIRC already works. For the second one I would vote for TinyIRC, but I'm 
a bit biased here. ;-)
> I'm missing email here (second most used internet application?), so
> maybe we could add thunderbird as well?

Why not postpone this to some 0.3.x release? Of course if we will have 
Firefox running, Thunderbird is only a small step, but as you said we 
should concentrate on one bigger feature.

[snip]
> All other applications working (like openoffice) would be very nice, but
> i don't see why it should be a goal for 0.3.0.

<kidding type="slightly">Why not make OpenOffice working before 
0.3.0?</kidding>
> Of course i understand
> lots of people won't agree on the focussing on one feature, but i think
> it will make for better headlines, and mouth-to-mouth ('networking on
> ros works' is a lot easier to tell around than a list of apps working).

I tend to agree.

Regards,
Filip

On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 11:24:58PM +0200, Filip Navara wrote:
> Mark IJbema wrote:
> > As i said before i like it best when each release has one distinguising
> > feature (even subreleases). The obvious feature for 0.3.0 would be
> > networking, so even though it would be nice that say SEH works (which i
> > understood is really sweet, but says nothing to end users i think) and
> > that openoffice works, i think we should bring it as the big networking
> > release.
>
> Agreed. BTW, according to my knowledge SEH already works, just we don't 
> use it for the system calls yet.
> > So imho 'networking' should work. So a user should get the feeling
> > networking works. So for this above mentioned apps which should work:
> >
> > -firefox
> > -cvs
> > rather define a set of clients here, if tcp/ip works cvs should work,
> > but of course not every client will, so maybe limit it to cvs
> > commandline, wincvs and tortoisecvs?
>
> I'm unsure about pushing TortoiseCVS for 0.3.0. Not matter how much I 
> like it, it's a shell extension and it might require a lot of work.

Ok, i didn't know that, if that's true then we shouldn't try to.
> > I'm missing email here (second most used internet application?), so
> > maybe we could add thunderbird as well?
>
> Why not postpone this to some 0.3.x release? Of course if we will have 
> Firefox running, Thunderbird is only a small step, but as you said we 
> should concentrate on one bigger feature.

It's because of the bigger feature thing. I'm trying to think in a
dumb-user kind of way here. Our next big feature is 'networking'. Now
what comes to mind with networking: Internet (and smb shares maybe).
What is internet? WWW, email, and ehm... irc and some other nerdy stuff.
It's no hard demand in any way, it's just that i'd say it would be
better to have it all in one. Of course if it means a lot of work we
shouldn't, but i don't think it does (otoh, i'm not really the one to
know).

So in short:
feature: networking
what does the user expect: WWW, email, irc
(or actually msie, msoe, mirc)

(msie would be nice for 0.3.1 btw >:) )
> [snip]
> > All other applications working (like openoffice) would be very nice, but
> > i don't see why it should be a goal for 0.3.0.
>
> <kidding type="slightly">Why not make OpenOffice working before 
> 0.3.0?</kidding>

That might be just as good. I don't think OOo justifies it's own direct
subnumber, so wether it would be 0.2.5 or 0.3.1 wouldn't realy matter
imho. I do think however we need a appealing feature for 0.2.5 (or will
0.3.0 be the following version already, as far as i understood
networking would be september/october or so, has this changed?)

Mark

[James E. LaBarre]

Mark IJbema wrote:
> (msie would be nice for 0.3.1 btw >:) )

For that matter, though, I'd rather see code which would *fool* those 
brain-dead apps that have MSIE requirements into thinking your 
Gecko-based browser is actually MSIE.  Someday when I have spare time 
I'm going to see if I can find what apps like TurboLister, Norton 
Utilities, etc. are looking for, and see if I can fake them out.

[Tom Lee Mullins]

James E. LaBarre wrote:
> Mark IJbema wrote:
> > (msie would be nice for 0.3.1 btw >:) )
>
> For that matter, though, I'd rather see code which would *fool* those 
> brain-dead apps that have MSIE requirements into thinking your 
> Gecko-based browser is actually MSIE.  Someday when I have spare time 
> I'm going to see if I can find what apps like TurboLister, Norton 
> Utilities, etc. are looking for, and see if I can fake them out.
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There is a browser - Opera - at http://www.opera.com - where one can set 
it where it shows itself as 'IE' (or whatever browser you want it seen as).
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[James E. LaBarre]

Tom Lee Mullins wrote:
> James E. LaBarre wrote:
> > Mark IJbema wrote:
> > > (msie would be nice for 0.3.1 btw >:) )
> >
> > For that matter, though, I'd rather see code which would *fool* those 
> > brain-dead apps that have MSIE requirements into thinking your 
> > Gecko-based browser is actually MSIE.  Someday when I have spare time 
> > I'm going to see if I can find what apps like TurboLister, Norton 
> > Utilities, etc. are looking for, and see if I can fake them out.
> > _______________________________________________
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> > [e-mail]
> > http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
>
> There is a browser - Opera - at http://www.opera.com - where one can set 
> it where it shows itself as 'IE' (or whatever browser you want it seen as).

Not quite the same thing.  What Opera is reporting is a version to a 
*website*.  What I'm talking about is convincing local applications that 
  you have a particular version of Internyet Exploder installed. 
Apparently these apps rely upon some part of MSHTML, or perhaps the 
Internet Settings included with MSIE.

[Steven Edwards]

--- "James E. LaBarre" [e-mail] wrote:
> Not quite the same thing.  What Opera is reporting is a version to a 
> *website*.  What I'm talking about is convincing local applications
> that 
>   you have a particular version of Internyet Exploder installed. 
> Apparently these apps rely upon some part of MSHTML, or perhaps the 
> Internet Settings included with MSIE.

You can do this under Windows and Wine by installing the mozilla
activeX control. I tested it with ReactOS explorer and it works to
embedded Gecko rather than MSHTML.

http://www.iol.ie/~locka/mozilla/mozilla.htm

Thanks
Steven

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[Steven Edwards]

> Not quite the same thing.  What Opera is reporting is a version to a 
> *website*.  What I'm talking about is convincing local applications
> that 
>   you have a particular version of Internyet Exploder installed. 
> Apparently these apps rely upon some part of MSHTML, or perhaps the 
> Internet Settings included with MSIE.

Also try the IE patcher tool once you have the Mozilla control
installed.

http://www.iol.ie/~locka/mozilla/iepatcher.zip

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[Tom Lee Mullins]

Not quite the same thing.  What Opera is reporting is a version to a 
*website*.  What I'm talking about is convincing local applications that 
 you have a particular version of Internyet Exploder installed. 
Apparently these apps rely upon some part of MSHTML, or perhaps the 
Internet Settings included with MSIE.
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Thank you for the information.
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On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 08:19:38PM -0400, James E. LaBarre wrote:
> Mark IJbema wrote:
> > (msie would be nice for 0.3.1 btw >:) )
>
> For that matter, though, I'd rather see code which would *fool* those 
> brain-dead apps that have MSIE requirements into thinking your 
> Gecko-based browser is actually MSIE.

Even though i really like firefox, it's just a fact that some sites
don't work in it, most notably internet-banking sort of sites tend to
not-work in alternative browsers. So eventually we need to support MSIE
itself as well.

Mark

[Richard Campbell]

This is only due to missing activex support in most cases.  More and 
more sites are finding that it's BAD to be locked into IE's way of doing 
things.

For the record i frequent 20 different sites a day, and none of them are 
incompatible with firefox.

Mark IJbema wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 08:19:38PM -0400, James E. LaBarre wrote:
> > Mark IJbema wrote:
> > > (msie would be nice for 0.3.1 btw >:) )
> >
> > For that matter, though, I'd rather see code which would *fool* those 
> > brain-dead apps that have MSIE requirements into thinking your 
> > Gecko-based browser is actually MSIE.
>
> Even though i really like firefox, it's just a fact that some sites
> don't work in it, most notably internet-banking sort of sites tend to
> not-work in alternative browsers. So eventually we need to support MSIE
> itself as well.
>
> Mark
> _______________________________________________
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> [e-mail]
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[DutchTux]

I have it the other way around with the extesion page of firefox.
http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/?application=%7Bec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e...

It's show perfectly in Firefox but it look realy stupid in IE.

- DutchTux

Richard Campbell wrote:
> This is only due to missing activex support in most cases.  More and 
> more sites are finding that it's BAD to be locked into IE's way of doing 
> things.
>
> For the record i frequent 20 different sites a day, and none of them are 
> incompatible with firefox.
>
> Mark IJbema wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 08:19:38PM -0400, James E. LaBarre wrote:
> > > Mark IJbema wrote:
> > > > (msie would be nice for 0.3.1 btw >:) )
> > >
> > > For that matter, though, I'd rather see code which would *fool* those 
> > > brain-dead apps that have MSIE requirements into thinking your 
> > > Gecko-based browser is actually MSIE.
> >
> > Even though i really like firefox, it's just a fact that some sites
> > don't work in it, most notably internet-banking sort of sites tend to
> > not-work in alternative browsers. So eventually we need to support MSIE
> > itself as well.
> >
> > Mark
> > _______________________________________________
> > ros-general mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
>
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[Casper Hornstrup]

Heh, that page is really screwed up, putting GUIDs all over the place. In Firefox too.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] 
> [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of DutchTux
> Sent: 13. juli 2004 17:11
> To: ReactOS General List
> Subject: Re: [ros-general] ReactOS 0.3.0 TODO
>
> I have it the other way around with the extesion page of firefox.
> http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/?application=%7Bec8030f7-c2
> 0a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384}
>
> It's show perfectly in Firefox but it look realy stupid in IE.
> DutchTux

On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 10:56:45AM -0400, Richard Campbell wrote:
> This is only due to missing activex support in most cases.  More and 
> more sites are finding that it's BAD to be locked into IE's way of doing 
> things.
>
> For the record i frequent 20 different sites a day, and none of them are 
> incompatible with firefox.

In the Netherlands there are a few big banks:

Postbank
Rabobank
ABN-AMRO

the first is quite clueless anyway, they first didn't support
alternative browsers at all, now they've started testing it on several
setups. However, wrong version of java, and you're screwed, some
browsers work, some don't. You need to have luck on your site.

Rabobank works in most browsers but gives a warning at the first visit
that it's only compatible with msie.

ABN-AMRO works like a charm in all browsers, good interface, other sites
could learn from it :D

So basically, banking sucks over here when you don't have MSIE and
aren't with ABN-AMRO.

Also, i tried to convert my father to firefox. He wholeheartedly agreed
that it was a lot better browser. But almost all sites he needed
(distributors of computerparts and sites for investing on the stock
market and stuff) didn't work in firefox. So he threw it away after a
day, since it was totally worthless to him.

Please don't get me wrong, i agree that firefox is better, and that all
sites should stick to webstandards. But it's just not going to happen
anytime soon.

Mark

[Julius Schwartzenberg]

Mark IJbema schreef:
In the Netherlands there are a few big banks:
> Postbank
> Rabobank
> ABN-AMRO

Just FYI, those three should work without any errors, problems or 
warnings these days in any recent version of Mozilla/Netscape. Just make 
sure you allow any pop-ups the sites try to open. The Java problem also 
happens with IE, since in most cases it uses the same Java installation 
as Mozilla/Netscape.

NL: Voor meer info: http://www.promozilla.org/ & 
http://www.mozbrowser.nl/forum/viewforum.php?f=2

Julius

On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 01:12:10PM -0700, Steven Edwards wrote:
> Hello All,
> Well Arty and Alex along with a lot of help from others have networking
> almost to a usable state. So far the wish/feature list includes:

[..]

We should at least support quite some NICs, at least a few which are
cheap to buy, and have good availability (like cheap realteks for
instance). I don't know how far we are with this, we might be there
already, i thought it might be useful to note though, if we say
'networking works' and no-one can get it to work it won't really convey
i'm afraid :(

Mark

[Alex NOVAC]

Hi,

Also a good suggestion of NICs to be suported is the ones integrated 
into nForce based MBs ... they are quite spread.

Bye,
Alex

Mark IJbema wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 01:12:10PM -0700, Steven Edwards wrote:
> > Hello All,
> > Well Arty and Alex along with a lot of help from others have networking
> > almost to a usable state. So far the wish/feature list includes:
>
> [..]
>
> We should at least support quite some NICs, at least a few which are
> cheap to buy, and have good availability (like cheap realteks for
> instance). I don't know how far we are with this, we might be there
> already, i thought it might be useful to note though, if we say
> 'networking works' and no-one can get it to work it won't really convey
> i'm afraid :(
>
> Mark
> _______________________________________________
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> [e-mail]
> http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general

[Koen Blank]

Hi,

I've never submitted anything to this list but now I really feel I need to respond to this.

The most common used very cheap NIC chipset in my believes id the realtek RTL8139. it's on all the NIC's I've bought between €20 and €7,50. something anyone seriously interested in ROS could afford.
This chip is also used in the low budget segment of the laptop's.

I think there should be enough info around because it's so wide spread.

Regards,
Koen

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Alex NOVAC [mailto:[e-mail]] 
Verzonden: donderdag 15 juli 2004 9:56
Aan: ReactOS General List
Onderwerp: Re: [ros-general] ReactOS 0.3.0 TODO

Hi,

Also a good suggestion of NICs to be suported is the ones integrated 
into nForce based MBs ... they are quite spread.

Bye,
Alex

Mark IJbema wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 01:12:10PM -0700, Steven Edwards wrote:
> > Hello All,
> > Well Arty and Alex along with a lot of help from others have networking
> > almost to a usable state. So far the wish/feature list includes:
>
> [..]
>
> We should at least support quite some NICs, at least a few which are
> cheap to buy, and have good availability (like cheap realteks for
> instance). I don't know how far we are with this, we might be there
> already, i thought it might be useful to note though, if we say
> 'networking works' and no-one can get it to work it won't really convey
> i'm afraid :(
>
> Mark
> _______________________________________________
> ros-general mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general

[Magnus Olsen]

Hi
I think why not create a ne2000 drv  for NIC
a ne2000 drv works on Dlink, 3Com, Intel, RTL cards maby more
I have test MS ne2000 and liunx ne2000 drv on some of these manufactors NIC,
it did works fine.

Why not create a ne2000 drv it will works on most NIC ?

[viod]

It`s a great idea to use one driver . But it must cooperate with Realtec 
chipsets because it`s very popular in many countries . In Poland almost 
every card is based on RTL8139 . It`s cheap and it works ;-) Sorry for 
my english .
Grets
Charls

[Robert Köpferl]

viod schrieb:
> It`s a great idea to use one driver . But it must cooperate with Realtec 
> chipsets because it`s very popular in many countries . In Poland almost 
> every card is based on RTL8139 . It`s cheap and it works ;-) Sorry for 
> my english .

Don't worry. I, as a non-native-writer tell you that you didn't do a 
signifficent error. (just must->have to (acc. to what I learned))
> Grets
> Charls
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[viod]

> > Sorry for my english .
>
> Don't worry. I, as a non-native-writer tell you that you didn't do a 
> signifficent error. (just must->have to (acc. to what I learned))

thank you ma friend ;-) I`m stil learnig this language , and learning 
hurts ;] Get back to te topic about NIC ;-)

[James Tabor]

Magnus Olsen wrote:
> Hi
> I think why not create a ne2000 drv  for NIC
> a ne2000 drv works on Dlink, 3Com, Intel, RTL cards maby more
> I have test MS ne2000 and liunx ne2000 drv on some of these manufactors NIC,
> it did works fine.
>
> Why not create a ne2000 drv it will works on most NIC ?

Yes!!!!
Ne2k-pci.sys; RealTek, Winbond, Compex, KTI_ET32P2, etc. Ne2000.sys for ISA.
Start porting Linux drivers over, just for the basic ne2k's. Get install support
working so other drivers for VIA boards can be supported. I guess I can try the
VIA driver later to see if I can get it to go.
Good ideas!!!
James

[DutchTux]

Well, I think you cant make all the NICs drivers your self. but you can 
make basic one from realtek, 3com, NE2000 compatible NICs.
So for nForce MB you just need your driver CD from your motherboard or 
from the internet one.
I looked at the my cd of my A7N8X-X and I can find drivers for my NIC 
without a problem.
And so far I know there is no Plug-and-Play yet in ROS.

Alex NOVAC wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Also a good suggestion of NICs to be suported is the ones integrated 
> into nForce based MBs ... they are quite spread.
>
> Bye,
> Alex
>
> Mark IJbema wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 01:12:10PM -0700, Steven Edwards wrote:
> > > Hello All,
> > > Well Arty and Alex along with a lot of help from others have networking
> > > almost to a usable state. So far the wish/feature list includes:
> >
> > [..]
> >
> > We should at least support quite some NICs, at least a few which are
> > cheap to buy, and have good availability (like cheap realteks for
> > instance). I don't know how far we are with this, we might be there
> > already, i thought it might be useful to note though, if we say
> > 'networking works' and no-one can get it to work it won't really convey
> > i'm afraid :(
> >
> > Mark
> > _______________________________________________
> > ros-general mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
>
> ros-general mailing list
> [e-mail]
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[Steven Edwards]

--- Alex NOVAC [e-mail] wrote:
> Also a good suggestion of NICs to be suported is the ones integrated 
> into nForce based MBs ... they are quite spread.

I have a NForce2 board in this box with that NIC. It would be nice to
get it working.

Thanks
Steven

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[Jeff Smith]

I have an nforce motherboard and a NE2000 (PCI) compatibile Network Card, I 
can use iether, I would like to see one of my network cards supported around 
the same time ReactOS goes online :)
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Edwards" [e-mail]
To: "ReactOS General List" [e-mail]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: [ros-general] ReactOS 0.3.0 TODO
> --- Alex NOVAC [e-mail] wrote:
> > Also a good suggestion of NICs to be suported is the ones integrated
> > into nForce based MBs ... they are quite spread.
>
> I have a NForce2 board in this box with that NIC. It would be nice to
> get it working.
>
> Thanks
> Steven
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[Andrew Greenwood]

I have an nForce2 chipset on my board, it sports a 3COM NIC and an "nVidia"
one. It's an Asus A7N8X Deluxe.

Also have a couple of Realtek 8139s and various other NICs going spare (the
8139s are in a firewall box upstairs...)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alex NOVAC" [e-mail]
To: "ReactOS General List" [e-mail]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [ros-general] ReactOS 0.3.0 TODO
> Hi,
>
> Also a good suggestion of NICs to be suported is the ones integrated
> into nForce based MBs ... they are quite spread.
>
> Bye,
> Alex
>
> Mark IJbema wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 01:12:10PM -0700, Steven Edwards wrote:
> > > Hello All,
> > > Well Arty and Alex along with a lot of help from others have networking
> > > almost to a usable state. So far the wish/feature list includes:
> >
> > [..]
> >
> > We should at least support quite some NICs, at least a few which are
> > cheap to buy, and have good availability (like cheap realteks for
> > instance). I don't know how far we are with this, we might be there
> > already, i thought it might be useful to note though, if we say
> > 'networking works' and no-one can get it to work it won't really convey
> > i'm afraid :(
> >
> > Mark
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[Andrew Greenwood]

> Lets get some ideas of other things that need to be fixed or
> implemented. Sound support is going to be a post 0.3.0 bug for me as I
> dont have the time or knowlege to try and fix winmm/mmdrv. If you want
> to see sound on 0.3.0 you need to step up to the plate.

I'd love to work on this, but am still unsure where to begin. I need some
sort of sound driver (preferably the VMware one!) that will work with
ReactOS, with which I can test.

Alternatively, I need to be able to DBGPRINT out some info from some stub
routines in a custom driver...

[Julius Schwartzenberg]

Andrew Greenwood schreef:
> (preferably the VMware one!)

VMware is able to emulate a Sound Blaster 16 or a ES1371 (Sound Blaster 
PCI128). You should be able to get drivers for both from the Creative 
Labs website.

Julius

[Andrew Greenwood]

I tried that but it failed to load under ReactOS a while ago at least :(

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Julius Schwartzenberg" [e-mail]
To: "ReactOS General List" [e-mail]
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [ros-general] ReactOS 0.3.0 TODO
> Andrew Greenwood schreef:
> > (preferably the VMware one!)
>
> VMware is able to emulate a Sound Blaster 16 or a ES1371 (Sound Blaster 
> PCI128). You should be able to get drivers for both from the Creative 
> Labs website.
>
> Julius
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[Filip Navara]

Andrew Greenwood wrote:
> I'd love to work on this, but am still unsure where to begin. I need some
> sort of sound driver (preferably the VMware one!) that will work with
> ReactOS, with which I can test.

I have almost working sound support with 3rd party drivers. Most of the 
changes are already commited to CVS except the biggest one and that is 
improved DMA support (16-bit, auto initialization, ..., fixes). In my 
local tree the sound sort of works, but there are still some problems 
with DMA mapping that I need to resolve before commiting the stuff. 
Currently it sounds like crackle combined with the correct sound 
changing in regular intervals.

- Filip

[Andrew Greenwood]

> > I'd love to work on this, but am still unsure where to begin. I need some
> > sort of sound driver (preferably the VMware one!) that will work with
> > ReactOS, with which I can test.
>
> I have almost working sound support with 3rd party drivers. Most of the 
> changes are already commited to CVS except the biggest one and that is 
> improved DMA support (16-bit, auto initialization, ..., fixes). In my 
> local tree the sound sort of works, but there are still some problems 
> with DMA mapping that I need to resolve before commiting the stuff. 
> Currently it sounds like crackle combined with the correct sound 
> changing in regular intervals.

That is excellent news! :)

Shame I couldn't really do more than I did :(