Re: [ros-general] $$$ Bountys on ReactOS development - 0.2 Relase

[Jason Filby]

Hi all

Indeed, Steven and myself are having a little debate on this issue.
This 
is because I'm in the planning stages of setting up a for-profit
company 
that would sell solutions around ReactOS and eventually look to hire 
ReactOS developers fulltime. I feel that such redistribution of
ReactOS, 
before its usable as a desktop OS, through this company would be an 
excellent exersize in getting operations started - while contributing

the profits back in the same way: bounties for development.

Cheers
Jason

Steven Edwards wrote:
> Hello Mark,
>
> --- Mark Grosberg [e-mail] wrote:
> > ReactOS is an important project. I'm surprised there are no
> > commercial
> > sponsors.
>
> There is discussion going on right now about if this should be done

by
> the foundation or a commercial organization.
>
> Thanks
>
> Steven
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[Aleksey Bragin]

Hi,
actually, in my opinion, the model Jason says is better than just '5 usd for
a CD with ReactOS'.
My initial thought when joining ReactOS team was not just contributing to
the project, but (in the long-time goal) is creating some products based on
ReactOS, which will be commercial in some way (I don't know details yet, how
it's possible, etc, but surely I'm not going to and won't ever violate GPL
license ;-)).

End-users will like much more a ROS-based solution which will do something
useful for them, than rather just buy a CD with an operating system
preinstalled. -- Who needs this? The user who likes to experiment, to try
something new, to test our OS at last. But this user usually have enough
expertise to just d/l ISO and burn by himself.

Anyway, for now, for me, the only way to make the day when it become
possible to have production-stage ReactOS is contributing to it, and with
varying success I'm trying to do this :-)

With the best regards,
Aleksey Bragin.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jason Filby" [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: [ros-general] $$$ Bountys on ReactOS development - 0.2 Relase
> Hi all
>
> Indeed, Steven and myself are having a little debate on this issue.
> This
> is because I'm in the planning stages of setting up a for-profit
> company
> that would sell solutions around ReactOS and eventually look to hire
> ReactOS developers fulltime. I feel that such redistribution of
> ReactOS,
> before its usable as a desktop OS, through this company would be an
> excellent exersize in getting operations started - while contributing
>
> the profits back in the same way: bounties for development.
>
> Cheers
> Jason
>
> Steven Edwards wrote:
> > Hello Mark,
> >
> > --- Mark Grosberg [e-mail] wrote:
> > > ReactOS is an important project. I'm surprised there are no
> > > commercial
> > > sponsors.
> >
> > There is discussion going on right now about if this should be done
>
> by
> > the foundation or a commercial organization.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Steven
> >
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[Steven Edwards]

Hello Alexksey,
--- Aleksey Bragin [e-mail] wrote:
> Anyway, for now, for me, the only way to make the day when it become
> possible to have production-stage ReactOS is contributing to it, and
> with
> varying success I'm trying to do this :-)

Same here and thats where the idea of donations come in. Maybe I or
someone else cant write some code that is needed but we can give some
money to a developer that can. It doesnt have to be from selling CDs it
can just be from donations to the ReactOS Project. Thats what I am
getting at with this. If there are projects that no one wants or has
the time to work on this might help speed along development in those
areas.

Thanks
Steven

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[Aleksey Bragin]

Steven,
yes, sorry, you're certainly right in this topic. ROS Foundation is a great
idea, and my idea in previous mail was that cd-selling idea would gather
very little money.

As for 'sponsoring' bugs' solutions - really nice idea, I would personally
fix bugs or implementing TCP/IP if I be paid that amount of money :-)
And I think $500 isn't so small amount, even to not-Chinese-Indian-Russian
people :-)

With the best regards,
Aleksey Bragin.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Edwards" [e-mail]
> Hello Alexksey,
> --- Aleksey Bragin [e-mail] wrote:
> > Anyway, for now, for me, the only way to make the day when it become
> > possible to have production-stage ReactOS is contributing to it, and
> > with
> > varying success I'm trying to do this :-)
>
> Same here and thats where the idea of donations come in. Maybe I or
> someone else cant write some code that is needed but we can give some
> money to a developer that can. It doesnt have to be from selling CDs it
> can just be from donations to the ReactOS Project. Thats what I am
> getting at with this. If there are projects that no one wants or has
> the time to work on this might help speed along development in those
> areas.
>
> Thanks
> Steven

[Steven Edwards]

Hello Alexksey,

--- Aleksey Bragin [e-mail] wrote:
>         Steven,
>
> yes, sorry, you're certainly right in this topic. ROS Foundation is a
> great
> idea, and my idea in previous mail was that cd-selling idea would
> gather
> very little money.

Yes I think the CD selling idea wouldn't generate much money at this
point by either the Foundation or Jasons company.
> As for 'sponsoring' bugs' solutions - really nice idea, I would
> personally
> fix bugs or implementing TCP/IP if I be paid that amount of money :-)
> And I think $500 isn't so small amount, even to
> not-Chinese-Indian-Russian
> people :-)

Cool. Does everyone else think this is a good idea? If so then lets
move forward with it. Jason: If your short on time I can do some of the
web work to setup this donation system on reactos.com/.org

Thanks
Steven

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[Steven Edwards]

Hey Aleksey
--- Steven Edwards [e-mail] wrote:
> Hello Alexksey,

Sorry about mangling your name. My brain doesnt always run its parser
correctly. =P

Thanks
Steven

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[Steven Edwards]

Lo all,
--- Jason Filby [e-mail] wrote:
> Indeed, Steven and myself are having a little debate on this issue.
> This 
> is because I'm in the planning stages of setting up a for-profit
> company 
> that would sell solutions around ReactOS and eventually look to hire 
> ReactOS developers fulltime. I feel that such redistribution of
> ReactOS, 
> before its usable as a desktop OS, through this company would be an 
> excellent exersize in getting operations started - while contributing
>
> the profits back in the same way: bounties for development.

Yes and I agree with that to a degree. I think we need to see some
companys supporting ReactOS but I also want to see the Foundation up
and running. Having support from buiness is a good thing but not at the
expense of a Non-Profit organization dedicated to the idea of ReactOS.

A For-Profit company exist for one goal and thats to make money. Even
if Jason company is 100% owned by him today, 5 years down the road it
might be owned by a large number of others that dont give a flip about
ReactOS but only the bottom line. Thats find as long as the rules are
played by with the GPL/LGPL. But I want to see us move forward on both.
I want companys to adopt ReactOS and ReactOS developers to be free to
make money off of thier work.

Thanks
Steven

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[Mark Grosberg]

On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Jason Filby wrote:
> Hi all
>
> Indeed, Steven and myself are having a little debate on this issue.
> This
> is because I'm in the planning stages of setting up a for-profit
> company
> that would sell solutions around ReactOS and eventually look to hire
> ReactOS developers fulltime. I feel that such redistribution of
> ReactOS,

Can I make a suggestion? Go after the embedded market as well as the
desktop market. I worked for years at a company on embedded products that
had no user-interface but we were required to use NT. And honestly, the NT
kernel (witout the GUI) is pretty good for soft-real time stuff.

Interestingly enough, I just started an embedded systems company for some
software that I used to have as GPL. But I stopped supporting the GPL
tree due to lack of interest.

I like the corporation idea. Maybe a good thing to do would be to see if
Lindows would offer a bounty or be a first customer. They seem to have the
sales channel starting up.
> before its usable as a desktop OS, through this company would be an
> excellent exersize in getting operations started - while contributing

The NTFS driver and networking are two areas that really need improvment.

L8r,
Mark G.

[Steven Edwards]

Hello Mark,
--- Mark Grosberg [e-mail] wrote:
> Can I make a suggestion? Go after the embedded market as well as the
> desktop market. I worked for years at a company on embedded products
> that

Thanks for the feedback. I have no interest in a For-Profit ReactOS
business unless it is one that Jason starts and I have been trying to
tell him this for a while. Embedded ReactOS is where its at. We need to
add some real-time schedualing to ReactOS and run some major auditing
on the kernel code and then it would be perfect for the ?unknown?
number of Windows/NT developers out there that want a better solution
than NT Embedded or WinCE .Nyet.

Thanks
Steven

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