RE: [ros-general] OK, Time for a few words..

Well, there it is Kevin, suddenly a Window of opportunity is opening.
It looks good, but I must warn you to read the fine print:
This product seems to go against the intersts ReactOS.

1. So far it supports Windows 2000, XP x86/x64 and 2003 x86/x64 all languages.   Windows Vista will be supported as well.

I may be wrong here, but why not just say DOS or Fat32?

2. It needs at least .NET Framework 1.1 in order to run it...

Now I have no doubt that DOS is on the way out.

She is desparate to dump her old following and Australia won't take them anymore. This dump site is closed.

But I will study it more closely and apologise if I am wrong.

My acute sense of distrust (my worst feature) tells me  Ms is turning bad luck into another good fortune again.

Why Justin not give then a chance.? I will, I will, but...

Please ReactOS, watch your back (office).

Hmmm???

Cheers ans rosuccess
Justin

---- TwoTailedFox [e-mail] wrote:
> Kevin, if you're looking to slim down Windows 2000 (Or XP/2003, for
> that matter), check out nLite: http://www.nliteos.com
>
> On 10/20/05, Kevin Lawton [e-mail] wrote:
> > I had not heard of this 'LitePC' thing before - it sounds almost too good to be true.
> > Thanks for the info - I will be giving it a try to trim my Win 2000 installations down to a more sensible size.
> > Been down the Linux road too but, when you consider the current bulkiness of the more 'useful' Linux distros and the difficulties of using it with modern toys like phones or cameras, I find I have to keep Windows hanging around - at least until ReactOS is 'all present and correct'. FreeBSD is an interesting option for Unix-like-ness on a PC, with Cygwin and Win4Lin having their place too.
> > Dunno about ros-insane, maybe it should be ros-inspired.
> > Plenty of new things to play with now.  :-)
> > Kevin.
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [e-mail]
> > > [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of
> > > [e-mail]
> > > Sent: 20 October 2005 05:08
> > > To: ReactOS General List
> > > Cc: Robert Köpferl
> > > Subject: Re: [ros-general] OK, Time for a few words..
> > >
> > > If I may add my 2 cents worth.
> > > I too have a spot in my heart for Linux Gui's, both KDE and Gnome.
> > > However the overheads are too high. So I have 3 three Thinkspads
> > > on the net.
> > > and a comfortable swivel chair.
> > > IMHO Linux is toooo fat and slow and badly designed, before I get
> > > flamed it is only MHO.
> > > So I have tried to compromise (on Particulars, not on Principles).
> > > This was my strategy (for what it is worth):
> > > Please remember it is only MHO, and not set in concrete.
> > >  I chose the first Linux distro off the block i.e. Slackware
> > > because it stuck to basic principles. Yes as simple as that. The
> > > old 1440 KB floppy disk (about the size of my limited imagination).
> > > I chose a basic Windows32 platform i.e. 9x
> > > Then I worked on the tiny Linux's (Monkey Linux, and pocket Linux)
> > > Until I discovered Pat Villani's  :
> > >     Linux for Windows 9X
> > >        Home page: http://www.monmouth.com/user_pages/patv/
> > >        Download:
> > > ftp://opensourcedepot.com/pub/linux/WinLin9X/v0.2/setup.exe
> > >       Author: Pat Villani (http://www.monmouth.com/user_pages/patv)
> > >       Mailing list: [e-mail]
> > >  It was great, it sat neatly in 18 MB.
> > > Then I asked myself, "what the heck am I doing with nearly half a
> > > gig of Windows98se?"
> > > Not wanting to bring Microsoft down on my financially poor head:
> > > I downloaded Australian product called 98Lite from LitePC.com
> > > (trial version)
> > > I liked it so much I bought the real  thing.
> > >  It gave me the opportunity to unbolt everything which Microsoft
> > > told the courts was not possible to do.
> > >  There she was, stripped from nearly half a gig to 50mb, stark
> > > naked, but looking like Homer Simpson.
> > >  The speed increase was fantastic. Now I am going for 30 mb, then
> > > 16, then 8, then .......
> > > The full story would take too long to tell, so I will leave it at that.
> > > Suffice to say I have now dumped Linux and gone back to Unix BSD and bash.
> > > That is when met Minsys and it was a good feeling.
> > > I was Bourne again, bash'ed about the head, so to speak.
> > > Oh I forgot there is a need for one extra doorway off ros-general
> > >  especially for me.
> > > Mark it ros-insane.
> > >
> > > Cheers and rosuccess
> > >
> > > Justin
> > >
> > > ---- "Robert Köpferl" [e-mail] wrote:
> > > > Hhmmm, what you tink of is what I call a GDI-Port+win32 of xfree.
> > > > etc
> > > > Richard Campbell wrote:
> > > > > XFree86 has already been ported to windows, whats the point
> > >
> > > in a ROS port?
> > > > > etc
> > > > > Robert Köpferl wrote:
> > > > > etc
> > > > > > It should be possible to port Xfree86 to ROS (be it win32 or
> > >
> > > posix) as
> > > > > > it has been proted to os2.
> > > > > > etc
> > > > > > TwoTailedFox wrote:
> > > > > > etc
> > > > > > > I've seen quite a few users propose ideas, such as a new GUI, or new
> > > > > > > functionality, only to be told it doesn't fit in with the
> > >
> > > Core Goal of
> > > > > > > ReactOS.
> > > > > > > etc
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > ros-general mailing list
> > > > > > > [e-mail]
> > > > > > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > ros-general mailing list
> > > > > > [e-mail]
> > > > > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > > > >
> > > > > ros-general mailing list
> > > > > [e-mail]
> > > > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > > >
> > > > ros-general mailing list
> > > > [e-mail]
> > > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > >
> > > ros-general mailing list
> > > [e-mail]
> > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> >
> > ros-general mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
>
> --
> "I had a handle on life, but then it broke"
>
> ros-general mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general

[TwoTailedFox]

" 1. So far it supports Windows 2000, XP x86/x64 and 2003 x86/x64 all
languages.   Windows Vista will be supported as well.

I may be wrong here, but why not just say DOS or Fat32?"

Um, do you have any idea what nLite actully does?

It's designed to remove components from Windows pre-install, as
opposed to post-install. Filesystems and Ancient Operating Systems
mean nothing at all, nLite will run happily, be it on FAT16/FAT32 or
NTFS.

"2. It needs at least .NET Framework 1.1 in order to run it..."

Specific Runtime files (~4MB) are available to download from the site,
to fool nLite into thinking the .NET Framework is installed. And it
actually needs either 1.1 or 2.0 Beta 1/2.

Againsts the Interests of ROS? ROS is still Alpha Software, and thus
still in it's infancy.

On 10/20/05, [e-mail] [e-mail] wrote:
> Well, there it is Kevin, suddenly a Window of opportunity is opening.
> It looks good, but I must warn you to read the fine print:
> This product seems to go against the intersts ReactOS.
> So far it supports Windows 2000, XP x86/x64 and 2003 x86/x64 all languages.   Windows Vista will be supported as well.
>
> I may be wrong here, but why not just say DOS or Fat32?
> It needs at least .NET Framework 1.1 in order to run it...
>
> Now I have no doubt that DOS is on the way out.
>
> She is desparate to dump her old following and Australia won't take them anymore. This dump site is closed.
>
> But I will study it more closely and apologise if I am wrong.
>
> My acute sense of distrust (my worst feature) tells me  Ms is turning bad luck into another good fortune again.
>
> Why Justin not give then a chance.? I will, I will, but...
>
> Please ReactOS, watch your back (office).
>
> Hmmm???
>
> Cheers ans rosuccess
> Justin
>
> ---- TwoTailedFox [e-mail] wrote:
> > Kevin, if you're looking to slim down Windows 2000 (Or XP/2003, for
> > that matter), check out nLite: http://www.nliteos.com
> >
> > On 10/20/05, Kevin Lawton [e-mail] wrote:
> > > I had not heard of this 'LitePC' thing before - it sounds almost too good to be true.
> > > Thanks for the info - I will be giving it a try to trim my Win 2000 installations down to a more sensible size.
> > > Been down the Linux road too but, when you consider the current bulkiness of the more 'useful' Linux distros and the difficulties of using it with modern toys like phones or cameras, I find I have to keep Windows hanging around - at least until ReactOS is 'all present and correct'. FreeBSD is an interesting option for Unix-like-ness on a PC, with Cygwin and Win4Lin having their place too.
> > > Dunno about ros-insane, maybe it should be ros-inspired.
> > > Plenty of new things to play with now.  :-)
> > > Kevin.
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [e-mail]
> > > > [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of
> > > > [e-mail]
> > > > Sent: 20 October 2005 05:08
> > > > To: ReactOS General List
> > > > Cc: Robert Köpferl
> > > > Subject: Re: [ros-general] OK, Time for a few words..
> > > >
> > > > If I may add my 2 cents worth.
> > > > I too have a spot in my heart for Linux Gui's, both KDE and Gnome.
> > > > However the overheads are too high. So I have 3 three Thinkspads
> > > > on the net.
> > > > and a comfortable swivel chair.
> > > > IMHO Linux is toooo fat and slow and badly designed, before I get
> > > > flamed it is only MHO.
> > > > So I have tried to compromise (on Particulars, not on Principles).
> > > > This was my strategy (for what it is worth):
> > > > Please remember it is only MHO, and not set in concrete.
> > > >  I chose the first Linux distro off the block i.e. Slackware
> > > > because it stuck to basic principles. Yes as simple as that. The
> > > > old 1440 KB floppy disk (about the size of my limited imagination).
> > > > I chose a basic Windows32 platform i.e. 9x
> > > > Then I worked on the tiny Linux's (Monkey Linux, and pocket Linux)
> > > > Until I discovered Pat Villani's  :
> > > >     Linux for Windows 9X
> > > >        Home page: http://www.monmouth.com/user_pages/patv/
> > > >        Download:
> > > > ftp://opensourcedepot.com/pub/linux/WinLin9X/v0.2/setup.exe
> > > >       Author: Pat Villani (http://www.monmouth.com/user_pages/patv)
> > > >       Mailing list: [e-mail]
> > > >  It was great, it sat neatly in 18 MB.
> > > > Then I asked myself, "what the heck am I doing with nearly half a
> > > > gig of Windows98se?"
> > > > Not wanting to bring Microsoft down on my financially poor head:
> > > > I downloaded Australian product called 98Lite from LitePC.com
> > > > (trial version)
> > > > I liked it so much I bought the real  thing.
> > > >  It gave me the opportunity to unbolt everything which Microsoft
> > > > told the courts was not possible to do.
> > > >  There she was, stripped from nearly half a gig to 50mb, stark
> > > > naked, but looking like Homer Simpson.
> > > >  The speed increase was fantastic. Now I am going for 30 mb, then
> > > > 16, then 8, then .......
> > > > The full story would take too long to tell, so I will leave it at that.
> > > > Suffice to say I have now dumped Linux and gone back to Unix BSD and bash.
> > > > That is when met Minsys and it was a good feeling.
> > > > I was Bourne again, bash'ed about the head, so to speak.
> > > > Oh I forgot there is a need for one extra doorway off ros-general
> > > >  especially for me.
> > > > Mark it ros-insane.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers and rosuccess
> > > >
> > > > Justin
> > > >
> > > > ---- "Robert Köpferl" [e-mail] wrote:
> > > > > Hhmmm, what you tink of is what I call a GDI-Port+win32 of xfree.
> > > > > etc
> > > > > Richard Campbell wrote:
> > > > > > XFree86 has already been ported to windows, whats the point
> > > >
> > > > in a ROS port?
> > > > > > etc
> > > > > > Robert Köpferl wrote:
> > > > > > etc
> > > > > > > It should be possible to port Xfree86 to ROS (be it win32 or
> > > >
> > > > posix) as
> > > > > > > it has been proted to os2.
> > > > > > >etc
> > > > > > > TwoTailedFox wrote:
> > > > > > > etc
> > > > > > >> I've seen quite a few users propose ideas, such as a new GUI, or new
> > > > > > >> functionality, only to be told it doesn't fit in with the
> > > >
> > > > Core Goal of
> > > > > > >> ReactOS.
> > > > > > >> etc
> > > > > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > > > > >> ros-general mailing list
> > > > > > >> [e-mail]
> > > > > > >> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > ros-general mailing list
> > > > > > > [e-mail]
> > > > > > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > ros-general mailing list
> > > > > > [e-mail]
> > > > > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > > > >
> > > > > ros-general mailing list
> > > > > [e-mail]
> > > > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > > >
> > > > ros-general mailing list
> > > > [e-mail]
> > > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > >
> > > ros-general mailing list
> > > [e-mail]
> > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> >
> > --
> > "I had a handle on life, but then it broke"
> >
> > ros-general mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
>
> ros-general mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general

--
"I had a handle on life, but then it broke"

[Kevin Lawton]

I don't see these products which are available for managing MS Windows into a more streamlined OS as being particularly against ReactOS. To me they are just a way of trying to get the bloated and sloppy Windows to work a bit better until the alternative is mature enough to use all day, every day. When ReactOS achieves this I will dump MS Windows, but till then I try to make the best of it. In a way, the fact that these system management utilities exist can help the ReactOS project 'get it right' where Microsoft failed. 
DOS dead ? Maybe MS-DOS, yes, and possibly IBM's PC-DOS in the near future - but there are several other DOS variants, DR-DOS and Freedoms for example, which have a useful place in the grand scheme of things. Like the way Partition Magic uses DR-DOS to provide an op system to boot from floppy. Very useful on either new, virgin machines or when you've got hard drive problems. 
Can't trust Microsoft ?   I believe the one group of people who CAN trust Microsoft are their shareholders. 
Kevin.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]]
> Sent: 20 October 2005 23:43
> To: ReactOS General List
> Cc: Kevin Lawton
> Subject: RE: [ros-general] OK, Time for a few words..
>
> Well, there it is Kevin, suddenly a Window of opportunity is opening.
> It looks good, but I must warn you to read the fine print:
> This product seems to go against the intersts ReactOS.
> So far it supports Windows 2000, XP x86/x64 and 2003 x86/x64
>
> all languages.   Windows Vista will be supported as well.
>
> I may be wrong here, but why not just say DOS or Fat32?
> It needs at least .NET Framework 1.1 in order to run it...
>
> Now I have no doubt that DOS is on the way out.
>
> She is desparate to dump her old following and Australia won't 
> take them anymore. This dump site is closed.
>
> But I will study it more closely and apologise if I am wrong.
>
> My acute sense of distrust (my worst feature) tells me  Ms is 
> turning bad luck into another good fortune again.
>
> Why Justin not give then a chance.? I will, I will, but...
>
> Please ReactOS, watch your back (office).
>
> Hmmm???
>
> Cheers ans rosuccess
> Justin
>
> ---- TwoTailedFox [e-mail] wrote:
> > Kevin, if you're looking to slim down Windows 2000 (Or XP/2003, for
> > that matter), check out nLite: http://www.nliteos.com
> >
> > On 10/20/05, Kevin Lawton [e-mail] wrote:
> > > I had not heard of this 'LitePC' thing before - it sounds
>
> almost too good to be true.
> > > Thanks for the info - I will be giving it a try to trim my
>
> Win 2000 installations down to a more sensible size.
> > > Been down the Linux road too but, when you consider the
>
> current bulkiness of the more 'useful' Linux distros and the 
> difficulties of using it with modern toys like phones or cameras, 
> I find I have to keep Windows hanging around - at least until 
> ReactOS is 'all present and correct'. FreeBSD is an interesting 
> option for Unix-like-ness on a PC, with Cygwin and Win4Lin having 
> their place too.
> > > Dunno about ros-insane, maybe it should be ros-inspired.
> > > Plenty of new things to play with now.  :-)
> > > Kevin.
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [e-mail]
> > > > [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of
> > > > [e-mail]
> > > > Sent: 20 October 2005 05:08
> > > > To: ReactOS General List
> > > > Cc: Robert Köpferl
> > > > Subject: Re: [ros-general] OK, Time for a few words..
> > > >
> > > > If I may add my 2 cents worth.
> > > > I too have a spot in my heart for Linux Gui's, both KDE and Gnome.
> > > > However the overheads are too high. So I have 3 three Thinkspads
> > > > on the net.
> > > > and a comfortable swivel chair.
> > > > IMHO Linux is toooo fat and slow and badly designed, before I get
> > > > flamed it is only MHO.
> > > > So I have tried to compromise (on Particulars, not on Principles).
> > > > This was my strategy (for what it is worth):
> > > > Please remember it is only MHO, and not set in concrete.
> > > >  I chose the first Linux distro off the block i.e. Slackware
> > > > because it stuck to basic principles. Yes as simple as that. The
> > > > old 1440 KB floppy disk (about the size of my limited imagination).
> > > > I chose a basic Windows32 platform i.e. 9x
> > > > Then I worked on the tiny Linux's (Monkey Linux, and pocket Linux)
> > > > Until I discovered Pat Villani's  :
> > > >     Linux for Windows 9X
> > > >        Home page: http://www.monmouth.com/user_pages/patv/
> > > >        Download:
> > > > ftp://opensourcedepot.com/pub/linux/WinLin9X/v0.2/setup.exe
> > > >       Author: Pat Villani (http://www.monmouth.com/user_pages/patv)
> > > >       Mailing list: [e-mail]
> > > >  It was great, it sat neatly in 18 MB.
> > > > Then I asked myself, "what the heck am I doing with nearly half a
> > > > gig of Windows98se?"
> > > > Not wanting to bring Microsoft down on my financially poor head:
> > > > I downloaded Australian product called 98Lite from LitePC.com
> > > > (trial version)
> > > > I liked it so much I bought the real  thing.
> > > >  It gave me the opportunity to unbolt everything which Microsoft
> > > > told the courts was not possible to do.
> > > >  There she was, stripped from nearly half a gig to 50mb, stark
> > > > naked, but looking like Homer Simpson.
> > > >  The speed increase was fantastic. Now I am going for 30 mb, then
> > > > 16, then 8, then .......
> > > > The full story would take too long to tell, so I will leave
>
> it at that.
> > > > Suffice to say I have now dumped Linux and gone back to
>
> Unix BSD and bash.
> > > > That is when met Minsys and it was a good feeling.
> > > > I was Bourne again, bash'ed about the head, so to speak.
> > > > Oh I forgot there is a need for one extra doorway off ros-general
> > > >  especially for me.
> > > > Mark it ros-insane.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers and rosuccess
> > > >
> > > > Justin
> > > >
> > > > ---- "Robert Köpferl" [e-mail] wrote:
> > > > > Hhmmm, what you tink of is what I call a GDI-Port+win32 of xfree.
> > > > > etc
> > > > > Richard Campbell wrote:
> > > > > > XFree86 has already been ported to windows, whats the point
> > > >
> > > > in a ROS port?
> > > > > > etc
> > > > > > Robert Köpferl wrote:
> > > > > > etc
> > > > > > > It should be possible to port Xfree86 to ROS (be it win32 or
> > > >
> > > > posix) as
> > > > > > > it has been proted to os2.
> > > > > > >etc
> > > > > > > TwoTailedFox wrote:
> > > > > > > etc
> > > > > > >> I've seen quite a few users propose ideas, such as a
>
> new GUI, or new
> > > > > > >> functionality, only to be told it doesn't fit in with the
> > > >
> > > > Core Goal of
> > > > > > >> ReactOS.
> > > > > > >> etc
> > > > > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > > > > >> ros-general mailing list
> > > > > > >> [e-mail]
> > > > > > >> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > ros-general mailing list
> > > > > > > [e-mail]
> > > > > > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > ros-general mailing list
> > > > > > [e-mail]
> > > > > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > > > >
> > > > > ros-general mailing list
> > > > > [e-mail]
> > > > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > > >
> > > > ros-general mailing list
> > > > [e-mail]
> > > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > >
> > > ros-general mailing list
> > > [e-mail]
> > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> >
> > --
> > "I had a handle on life, but then it broke"
> >
> > ros-general mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general