RE: [ros-general] OK, Time for a few words..

Well, there it is Kevin, suddenly a Window of opportunity is opening.
It looks good, but I must warn you to read the fine print:
This product seems to go against the intersts ReactOS.

 1. So far it supports Windows 2000, XP x86/x64 and 2003 x86/x64 all languages.   Windows
Vista will be supported as well.

I may be wrong here, but why not just say DOS or Fat32?

2. It needs at least .NET Framework 1.1 in order to run it...

Now I have no doubt that DOS is on the way out. 

She is desparate to dump her old following and Australia won't take them anymore. This
dump site is closed.

But I will study it more closely and apologise if I am wrong.

My acute sense of distrust (my worst feature) tells me  Ms is turning bad luck into
another good fortune again. 

Why Justin not give then a chance.? I will, I will, but...

Please ReactOS, watch your back (office).

Hmmm???

Cheers ans rosuccess
Justin
 
---- TwoTailedFox <twotailedfox(a)gmail.com> wrote: 
>   Kevin, if you're looking to slim down Windows 2000
> (Or XP/2003, for
>  that matter), check out nLite: http://www.nliteos.com
>  
>  On 10/20/05, Kevin Lawton <kepla(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
> >   I had not heard of this 'LitePC' thing
> > before - it sounds almost too good to be true.
> >  Thanks for the info - I will be giving it a try to trim my Win 2000 installations down to
> > a more sensible size.
> >  Been down the Linux road too but, when you consider the current bulkiness of the more
> > 'useful' Linux distros and the difficulties of using it with modern toys like
> > phones or cameras, I find I have to keep Windows hanging around - at least until ReactOS
> > is 'all present and correct'. FreeBSD is an interesting option for Unix-like-ness
> > on a PC, with Cygwin and Win4Lin having their place too.
> >  Dunno about ros-insane, maybe it should be ros-inspired.
> >  Plenty of new things to play with now.  :-)
> >  Kevin.
> >
> > >   -----Original Message-----
> > >  From: ros-general-bounces(a)reactos.org
> > >  [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of
> > >  jwalsh(a)bigpond.net.au
> > >  Sent: 20 October 2005 05:08
> > >  To: ReactOS General List
> > >  Cc: Robert Köpferl
> > >  Subject: Re: [ros-general] OK, Time for a few words..
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  If I may add my 2 cents worth.
> > >  I too have a spot in my heart for Linux Gui's, both KDE and Gnome.
> > >  However the overheads are too high. So I have 3 three Thinkspads
> > >  on the net.
> > >  and a comfortable swivel chair.
> > >  IMHO Linux is toooo fat and slow and badly designed, before I get
> > >  flamed it is only MHO.
> > >  So I have tried to compromise (on Particulars, not on Principles).
> > >  This was my strategy (for what it is worth):
> > >  Please remember it is only MHO, and not set in concrete.
> > >   I chose the first Linux distro off the block i.e. Slackware
> > >  because it stuck to basic principles. Yes as simple as that. The
> > >  old 1440 KB floppy disk (about the size of my limited imagination).
> > >  I chose a basic Windows32 platform i.e. 9x
> > >  Then I worked on the tiny Linux's (Monkey Linux, and pocket Linux)
> > >  Until I discovered Pat Villani's  :
> > >      Linux for Windows 9X
> > >         Home page: http://www.monmouth.com/user_pages/patv/
> > >         Download:
> > >  ftp://opensourcedepot.com/pub/linux/WinLin9X/v0.2/setup.exe
> > >        Author: Pat Villani (http://www.monmouth.com/user_pages/patv)
> > >        Mailing list: lin4win(a)opensourcedepot.com
> > >   It was great, it sat neatly in 18 MB.
> > >  Then I asked myself, "what the heck am I doing with nearly half a
> > >  gig of Windows98se?"
> > >  Not wanting to bring Microsoft down on my financially poor head:
> > >  I downloaded Australian product called 98Lite from LitePC.com
> > >  (trial version)
> > >  I liked it so much I bought the real  thing.
> > >   It gave me the opportunity to unbolt everything which Microsoft
> > >  told the courts was not possible to do.
> > >   There she was, stripped from nearly half a gig to 50mb, stark
> > >  naked, but looking like Homer Simpson.
> > >   The speed increase was fantastic. Now I am going for 30 mb, then
> > >  16, then 8, then .......
> > >  The full story would take too long to tell, so I will leave it at that.
> > >  Suffice to say I have now dumped Linux and gone back to Unix BSD and bash.
> > >  That is when met Minsys and it was a good feeling.
> > >  I was Bourne again, bash'ed about the head, so to speak.
> > >  Oh I forgot there is a need for one extra doorway off ros-general
> > >   especially for me.
> > >  Mark it ros-insane.
> > >
> > >  Cheers and rosuccess
> > >
> > >  Justin
> > >
> > >  ---- "Robert Köpferl" <rob(a)koepferl.de> wrote:
> > > >   Hhmmm, what you tink of is what I call a
> > > > GDI-Port+win32 of xfree.
> > > >  etc
> > > >  Richard Campbell wrote:
> > > >  > XFree86 has already been ported to windows, whats the point 
> > >  in a ROS port?
> > > >   > etc
> > > >  > Robert Köpferl wrote:
> > > >  > etc
> > > >  >> It should be possible to port Xfree86 to ROS (be it win32 or 
> > >  posix) as
> > > >   >> it has been proted to os2.
> > > >  >>etc
> > > >  >> TwoTailedFox wrote:
> > > >  >> etc
> > > >  >>> I've seen quite a few users propose ideas, such as a new GUI, or new
> > > >  >>> functionality, only to be told it doesn't fit in with the 
> > >  Core
> > > Goal of
> > > >   >>> ReactOS.
> > > >  >>> etc
> > > >  >>> _______________________________________________
> > > >  >>> ros-general mailing list
> > > >  >>> ros-general(a)reactos.org
> > > >  >>> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > > >  >>>
> > > >  >> _______________________________________________
> > > >  >> ros-general mailing list
> > > >  >> ros-general(a)reactos.org
> > > >  >> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > > >  >>
> > > >  > _______________________________________________
> > > >  > ros-general mailing list
> > > >  > ros-general(a)reactos.org
> > > >  > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > > >  >
> > > >
> > > >  _______________________________________________
> > > >  ros-general mailing list
> > > >  ros-general(a)reactos.org
> > > >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general 
> > >  _______________________________________________
> > >  ros-general mailing list
> > >  ros-general(a)reactos.org
> > >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > >  
> >
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  ros-general mailing list
> >  ros-general(a)reactos.org
> >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> >  
>  
>  
>  --
>  "I had a handle on life, but then it broke"
>  
>  _______________________________________________
>  ros-general mailing list
>  ros-general(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general

[TwoTailedFox]

" 1. So far it supports Windows 2000, XP x86/x64 and 2003 x86/x64 all
languages.   Windows Vista will be supported as well.

I may be wrong here, but why not just say DOS or Fat32?"

Um, do you have any idea what nLite actully does?

It's designed to remove components from Windows pre-install, as
opposed to post-install. Filesystems and Ancient Operating Systems
mean nothing at all, nLite will run happily, be it on FAT16/FAT32 or
NTFS.

"2. It needs at least .NET Framework 1.1 in order to run it..."

Specific Runtime files (~4MB) are available to download from the site,
to fool nLite into thinking the .NET Framework is installed. And it
actually needs either 1.1 or 2.0 Beta 1/2.

Againsts the Interests of ROS? ROS is still Alpha Software, and thus
still in it's infancy.

On 10/20/05, jwalsh(a)bigpond.net.au <jwalsh(a)bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>   Well, there it is Kevin, suddenly a Window of
> opportunity is opening.
>  It looks good, but I must warn you to read the fine print:
>  This product seems to go against the intersts ReactOS.
>
>   1. So far it supports Windows 2000, XP x86/x64 and 2003 x86/x64 all languages.   Windows
> Vista will be supported as well.
>
>  I may be wrong here, but why not just say DOS or Fat32?
>
>  2. It needs at least .NET Framework 1.1 in order to run it...
>
>  Now I have no doubt that DOS is on the way out.
>
>  She is desparate to dump her old following and Australia won't take them anymore.
> This dump site is closed.
>
>  But I will study it more closely and apologise if I am wrong.
>
>  My acute sense of distrust (my worst feature) tells me  Ms is turning bad luck into
> another good fortune again.
>
>  Why Justin not give then a chance.? I will, I will, but...
>
>  Please ReactOS, watch your back (office).
>
>  Hmmm???
>
>  Cheers ans rosuccess
>  Justin
>
>  ---- TwoTailedFox <twotailedfox(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >   Kevin, if you're looking to slim down Windows
> > 2000 (Or XP/2003, for
> >  that matter), check out nLite: http://www.nliteos.com
> >
> >  On 10/20/05, Kevin Lawton <kepla(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
> > >   I had not heard of this 'LitePC' thing
> > > before - it sounds almost too good to be true.
> > >  Thanks for the info - I will be giving it a try to trim my Win 2000 installations down to
> > > a more sensible size.
> > >  Been down the Linux road too but, when you consider the current bulkiness of the more
> > > 'useful' Linux distros and the difficulties of using it with modern toys like
> > > phones or cameras, I find I have to keep Windows hanging around - at least until ReactOS
> > > is 'all present and correct'. FreeBSD is an interesting option for Unix-like-ness
> > > on a PC, with Cygwin and Win4Lin having their place too.
> > >  Dunno about ros-insane, maybe it should be ros-inspired.
> > >  Plenty of new things to play with now.  :-)
> > >  Kevin.
> > >
> > > >   -----Original Message-----
> > > >  From: ros-general-bounces(a)reactos.org
> > > >  [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of
> > > >  jwalsh(a)bigpond.net.au
> > > >  Sent: 20 October 2005 05:08
> > > >  To: ReactOS General List
> > > >  Cc: Robert Köpferl
> > > >  Subject: Re: [ros-general] OK, Time for a few words..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  If I may add my 2 cents worth.
> > > >  I too have a spot in my heart for Linux Gui's, both KDE and Gnome.
> > > >  However the overheads are too high. So I have 3 three Thinkspads
> > > >  on the net.
> > > >  and a comfortable swivel chair.
> > > >  IMHO Linux is toooo fat and slow and badly designed, before I get
> > > >  flamed it is only MHO.
> > > >  So I have tried to compromise (on Particulars, not on Principles).
> > > >  This was my strategy (for what it is worth):
> > > >  Please remember it is only MHO, and not set in concrete.
> > > >   I chose the first Linux distro off the block i.e. Slackware
> > > >  because it stuck to basic principles. Yes as simple as that. The
> > > >  old 1440 KB floppy disk (about the size of my limited imagination).
> > > >  I chose a basic Windows32 platform i.e. 9x
> > > >  Then I worked on the tiny Linux's (Monkey Linux, and pocket Linux)
> > > >  Until I discovered Pat Villani's  :
> > > >      Linux for Windows 9X
> > > >         Home page: http://www.monmouth.com/user_pages/patv/
> > > >         Download:
> > > >  ftp://opensourcedepot.com/pub/linux/WinLin9X/v0.2/setup.exe
> > > >        Author: Pat Villani (http://www.monmouth.com/user_pages/patv)
> > > >        Mailing list: lin4win(a)opensourcedepot.com
> > > >   It was great, it sat neatly in 18 MB.
> > > >  Then I asked myself, "what the heck am I doing with nearly half a
> > > >  gig of Windows98se?"
> > > >  Not wanting to bring Microsoft down on my financially poor head:
> > > >  I downloaded Australian product called 98Lite from LitePC.com
> > > >  (trial version)
> > > >  I liked it so much I bought the real  thing.
> > > >   It gave me the opportunity to unbolt everything which Microsoft
> > > >  told the courts was not possible to do.
> > > >   There she was, stripped from nearly half a gig to 50mb, stark
> > > >  naked, but looking like Homer Simpson.
> > > >   The speed increase was fantastic. Now I am going for 30 mb, then
> > > >  16, then 8, then .......
> > > >  The full story would take too long to tell, so I will leave it at that.
> > > >  Suffice to say I have now dumped Linux and gone back to Unix BSD and bash.
> > > >  That is when met Minsys and it was a good feeling.
> > > >  I was Bourne again, bash'ed about the head, so to speak.
> > > >  Oh I forgot there is a need for one extra doorway off ros-general
> > > >   especially for me.
> > > >  Mark it ros-insane.
> > > >
> > > >  Cheers and rosuccess
> > > >
> > > >  Justin
> > > >
> > > >  ---- "Robert Köpferl" <rob(a)koepferl.de> wrote:
> > > >  > Hhmmm, what you tink of is what I call a GDI-Port+win32 of xfree.
> > > >  > etc
> > > >  > Richard Campbell wrote:
> > > >  > > XFree86 has already been ported to windows, whats the point
> > > >  in a ROS port?
> > > >  > > etc
> > > >  > > Robert Köpferl wrote:
> > > >  > > etc
> > > >  > >> It should be possible to port Xfree86 to ROS (be it win32 or
> > > >  posix) as
> > > >  > >> it has been proted to os2.
> > > >  > >>etc
> > > >  > >> TwoTailedFox wrote:
> > > >  > >> etc
> > > >  > >>> I've seen quite a few users propose ideas, such as a new GUI, or
> > > > new
> > > >  > >>> functionality, only to be told it doesn't fit in with the
> > > >  Core Goal of
> > > >  > >>> ReactOS.
> > > >  > >>> etc
> > > >  > >>> _______________________________________________
> > > >  > >>> ros-general mailing list
> > > >  > >>> ros-general(a)reactos.org
> > > >  > >>> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > > >  > >>>
> > > >  > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >  > >> ros-general mailing list
> > > >  > >> ros-general(a)reactos.org
> > > >  > >> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > > >  > >>
> > > >  > > _______________________________________________
> > > >  > > ros-general mailing list
> > > >  > > ros-general(a)reactos.org
> > > >  > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > > >  > >
> > > >  >
> > > >  > _______________________________________________
> > > >  > ros-general mailing list
> > > >  > ros-general(a)reactos.org
> > > >  > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > > >
> > > >  _______________________________________________
> > > >  ros-general mailing list
> > > >  ros-general(a)reactos.org
> > > >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > > >  
> > >
> > >  _______________________________________________
> > >  ros-general mailing list
> > >  ros-general(a)reactos.org
> > >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > >  
> >
> >  --
> >  "I had a handle on life, but then it broke"
> >
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  ros-general mailing list
> >  ros-general(a)reactos.org
> >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general 
>  _______________________________________________
>  ros-general mailing list
>  ros-general(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
>  

--
"I had a handle on life, but then it broke"

[Kevin Lawton]

I don't see these products which are available for managing MS Windows into a more
streamlined OS as being particularly against ReactOS. To me they are just a way of trying
to get the bloated and sloppy Windows to work a bit better until the alternative is mature
enough to use all day, every day. When ReactOS achieves this I will dump MS Windows, but
till then I try to make the best of it. In a way, the fact that these system management
utilities exist can help the ReactOS project 'get it right' where Microsoft
failed. 
DOS dead ? Maybe MS-DOS, yes, and possibly IBM's PC-DOS in the near future - but there
are several other DOS variants, DR-DOS and Freedoms for example, which have a useful place
in the grand scheme of things. Like the way Partition Magic uses DR-DOS to provide an op
system to boot from floppy. Very useful on either new, virgin machines or when you've
got hard drive problems. 
Can't trust Microsoft ?   I believe the one group of people who CAN trust Microsoft
are their shareholders. 
Kevin.     
   
>   -----Original Message-----
>  From: jwalsh(a)bigpond.net.au [mailto:[e-mail]]
>  Sent: 20 October 2005 23:43
>  To: ReactOS General List
>  Cc: Kevin Lawton
>  Subject: RE: [ros-general] OK, Time for a few words..
>  
>  
>  Well, there it is Kevin, suddenly a Window of opportunity is opening.
>  It looks good, but I must warn you to read the fine print:
>  This product seems to go against the intersts ReactOS.
>  
>   1. So far it supports Windows 2000, XP x86/x64 and 2003 x86/x64 
>  all languages.   Windows Vista will be supported as well.
>  
>  I may be wrong here, but why not just say DOS or Fat32?
>  
>  2. It needs at least .NET Framework 1.1 in order to run it...
>  
>  Now I have no doubt that DOS is on the way out. 
>  
>  She is desparate to dump her old following and Australia won't 
>  take them anymore. This dump site is closed.
>  
>  But I will study it more closely and apologise if I am wrong.
>  
>  My acute sense of distrust (my worst feature) tells me  Ms is 
>  turning bad luck into another good fortune again. 
>  
>  Why Justin not give then a chance.? I will, I will, but...
>  
>  Please ReactOS, watch your back (office).
>  
>  Hmmm???
>  
>  Cheers ans rosuccess
>  Justin
>   
>  ---- TwoTailedFox <twotailedfox(a)gmail.com> wrote: 
> >   Kevin, if you're looking to slim down Windows
> > 2000 (Or XP/2003, for
> >  that matter), check out nLite: http://www.nliteos.com
> >  
> >  On 10/20/05, Kevin Lawton <kepla(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
> >  > I had not heard of this 'LitePC' thing before - it sounds  
>  almost too
> good to be true.
> >   > Thanks for the info - I will be giving it a
> > try to trim my  
>  Win 2000 installations down to a more sensible size.
> >   > Been down the Linux road too but, when you
> > consider the  
>  current bulkiness of the more 'useful' Linux distros and the
>
>  difficulties of using it with modern toys like phones or cameras, 
>  I find I have to keep Windows hanging around - at least until 
>  ReactOS is 'all present and correct'. FreeBSD is an interesting 
>  option for Unix-like-ness on a PC, with Cygwin and Win4Lin having 
>  their place too.
> >   > Dunno about ros-insane, maybe it should be
> > ros-inspired.
> >  > Plenty of new things to play with now.  :-)
> >  > Kevin.
> >  >
> >  > > -----Original Message-----
> >  > > From: ros-general-bounces(a)reactos.org
> >  > > [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of
> >  > > jwalsh(a)bigpond.net.au
> >  > > Sent: 20 October 2005 05:08
> >  > > To: ReactOS General List
> >  > > Cc: Robert Köpferl
> >  > > Subject: Re: [ros-general] OK, Time for a few words..
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > > If I may add my 2 cents worth.
> >  > > I too have a spot in my heart for Linux Gui's, both KDE and Gnome.
> >  > > However the overheads are too high. So I have 3 three Thinkspads
> >  > > on the net.
> >  > > and a comfortable swivel chair.
> >  > > IMHO Linux is toooo fat and slow and badly designed, before I get
> >  > > flamed it is only MHO.
> >  > > So I have tried to compromise (on Particulars, not on Principles).
> >  > > This was my strategy (for what it is worth):
> >  > > Please remember it is only MHO, and not set in concrete.
> >  > >  I chose the first Linux distro off the block i.e. Slackware
> >  > > because it stuck to basic principles. Yes as simple as that. The
> >  > > old 1440 KB floppy disk (about the size of my limited imagination).
> >  > > I chose a basic Windows32 platform i.e. 9x
> >  > > Then I worked on the tiny Linux's (Monkey Linux, and pocket Linux)
> >  > > Until I discovered Pat Villani's  :
> >  > >     Linux for Windows 9X
> >  > >        Home page: http://www.monmouth.com/user_pages/patv/
> >  > >        Download:
> >  > > ftp://opensourcedepot.com/pub/linux/WinLin9X/v0.2/setup.exe
> >  > >       Author: Pat Villani (http://www.monmouth.com/user_pages/patv)
> >  > >       Mailing list: lin4win(a)opensourcedepot.com
> >  > >  It was great, it sat neatly in 18 MB.
> >  > > Then I asked myself, "what the heck am I doing with nearly half a
> >  > > gig of Windows98se?"
> >  > > Not wanting to bring Microsoft down on my financially poor head:
> >  > > I downloaded Australian product called 98Lite from LitePC.com
> >  > > (trial version)
> >  > > I liked it so much I bought the real  thing.
> >  > >  It gave me the opportunity to unbolt everything which Microsoft
> >  > > told the courts was not possible to do.
> >  > >  There she was, stripped from nearly half a gig to 50mb, stark
> >  > > naked, but looking like Homer Simpson.
> >  > >  The speed increase was fantastic. Now I am going for 30 mb, then
> >  > > 16, then 8, then .......
> >  > > The full story would take too long to tell, so I will leave  
>  it at
> that.
> >   > > Suffice to say I have now dumped Linux
> > and gone back to  
>  Unix BSD and bash.
> >   > > That is when met Minsys and it was a
> > good feeling.
> >  > > I was Bourne again, bash'ed about the head, so to speak.
> >  > > Oh I forgot there is a need for one extra doorway off ros-general
> >  > >  especially for me.
> >  > > Mark it ros-insane.
> >  > >
> >  > > Cheers and rosuccess
> >  > >
> >  > > Justin
> >  > >
> >  > > ---- "Robert Köpferl" <rob(a)koepferl.de> wrote:
> >  > > > Hhmmm, what you tink of is what I call a GDI-Port+win32 of xfree.
> >  > > > etc
> >  > > > Richard Campbell wrote:
> >  > > > > XFree86 has already been ported to windows, whats the point
> >  > > in a ROS port?
> >  > > > > etc
> >  > > > > Robert Köpferl wrote:
> >  > > > > etc
> >  > > > >> It should be possible to port Xfree86 to ROS (be it win32 or
> >  > > posix) as
> >  > > > >> it has been proted to os2.
> >  > > > >>etc
> >  > > > >> TwoTailedFox wrote:
> >  > > > >> etc
> >  > > > >>> I've seen quite a few users propose ideas, such as a 
>  new GUI, or new
> > > >   > >>> functionality, only to be told it
> > > > doesn't fit in with the
> > > >  Core Goal of
> > > >  > >>> ReactOS.
> > > >  > >>> etc
> > > >  > >>> _______________________________________________
> > > >  > >>> ros-general mailing list
> > > >  > >>> ros-general(a)reactos.org
> > > >  > >>> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > > >  > >>>
> > > >  > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >  > >> ros-general mailing list
> > > >  > >> ros-general(a)reactos.org
> > > >  > >> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > > >  > >>
> > > >  > > _______________________________________________
> > > >  > > ros-general mailing list
> > > >  > > ros-general(a)reactos.org
> > > >  > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > > >  > >
> > > >  >
> > > >  > _______________________________________________
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