Ros-general January 2004

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ReactOS and win98
by Richard Arron 25 Jan '04

25 Jan '04

Can reactos be installed on the same partition as windows 98? ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

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FW: [ros-general] SCO lobbying congress about Linux, GPL and Open Source
by Ian McLean 25 Jan '04

25 Jan '04

Sorry James. Meant to reply to list, not to you directly. Dumb Outlook (or as I call it .. Outhouse). Rgs Ian. -----Original Message----- From: Ian McLean [mailto:ianmm@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Sunday, 25 January 2004 11:46 am To: 'James Tabor' Subject: RE: [ros-general] SCO lobbying congress about Linux, GPL and Open Source Pretty pathetic isn't it ? It seems that if SCO cannot fight on the merits of it's software, and they are losing ground quickly in the fight against IBM, they have to resort to this pathetic level of desparateness. They have not been able to prove anything in court, yet. I just worry about ignorant congressmen whom don't know the real story giving SCO more ear than they deserve. God help their customers ! Rgs Ian > -----Original Message----- > From: James Tabor > [mailto:jimtabor@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] > Sent: Sunday, 25 January 2004 11:30 am > To: ianmm(a)optusnet.com.au; ros-general(a)reactos.com > Subject: Re: [ros-general] SCO lobbying congress about Linux, GPL and > Open Source > > > Hi all! > Good read, but it's still more of the De-rail McBlab twisted > interpretation of the > copyright law and GPL. Making more false assertions about > Linux using proprietary > SCO code. > > Whaaaa Whaaaa, MOMMY! Linus is not playing fare! > James > > > Ian McLean wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > I have read something interesting on another list (PIC > List), and seeing as > > it is also topical to ROS, I thought I would pass this link > on for everyone > > here. I expect this will generate a lot of comment ... > > > > > > http://www.osaia.org/letters/sco_hill.pdf > > > > PS: Reactos is looking great. Fantastic work everyone :-) > > > > Rgs > > Ian > >

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[ros-general] SCO lobbying congress about Linux, GPL and Open Source
by Ian McLean 25 Jan '04

25 Jan '04

Hi everyone, I have read something interesting on another list (PIC List), and seeing as it is also topical to ROS, I thought I would pass this link on for everyone here. I expect this will generate a lot of comment ... http://www.osaia.org/letters/sco_hill.pdf PS: Reactos is looking great. Fantastic work everyone :-) Rgs Ian

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Re: [ros-general] Translations
by Francisco Jos� Ca�izares Santofimia 24 Jan '04

24 Jan '04

>Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:41:31 -0800 (PST) >From: Jason Filby <jasonfilby(a)yahoo.com> >To: ros-general(a)reactos.com >Subject: [ros-general] Translations >Reply-To: ros-general(a)reactos.com > >Hi all > >Here are my thoughts about all the recent discussion on translations. > >First, it's probably best to have a minimum of two people per >language >so that there's some kind of validation of what's being written. >Second, >I don't think we should go down this road without a translation >coordinator - there's just too much work that needs to be >coordinated. >If anyone is serious about taking on such a role, feel free to >contact me. > >Cheers >Jason > > But, what we do you need to translate? (Docs, kernel ...), and if it's the ROS, how we translate it? Using po's or sth? ______________________________________________________ Get Paid... With Your Free Email at http://www.zwallet.com/index.html?user=telefrancisco

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Translations
by Jason Filby 24 Jan '04

24 Jan '04

Hi all Here are my thoughts about all the recent discussion on translations. First, it's probably best to have a minimum of two people per language so that there's some kind of validation of what's being written. Second, I don't think we should go down this road without a translation coordinator - there's just too much work that needs to be coordinated. If anyone is serious about taking on such a role, feel free to contact me. Cheers Jason __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

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Re: [ros-general] Testing
by Jason Filby 24 Jan '04

24 Jan '04

Hi Ciobanu There's no list and I don't think that there should be one. The Windows DDK is the place to look for APIs that need tests for the kernel mode regression tests, and the SDK for the WINE tests. These tests should first be written under Windows so that we can verify our compliance with the APIs. Cheers Jason Ciobanu Alexander wrote: >Ok, so i got the basic ideeas .... but is there a list of tests to be > >implemented ? Maybe after every new user/kernel mode feature added the > >developers should add a description of a test to be done ? > > > >Pe data de Sîmbătă 24 Ianuarie 2004 08:07, Jason Filby a scris: > > > >>Hi Ciobanu >> >> > > > > > > >>There is already some documentation on kernel/subsystem regression >> >> > > > >>tests. This part of ReactOS is not swappable with WINE, but covers >> >> > > > >>drivers, overall stability of the OS and of course the win32 >> >> > > > >>subsystem. >> >> > > > >>You can find a doc here: >> >> > > > >>http://reactos.com/reactos_unified_library/reactos_developer_documentation/ >> >> > > > >>reactos_development/testing/testing_the_hal_kernel_and_executive_services/re >> >> > > > >>gression_testing >> >> > > > > > > >>Missing from the doc is an explanation of how to load these tests >> >> > > > >>under >> >> > > > >>Windows to confirm results, this is still in the pipeline. >> >> > > > > > > >>Of course, WINE tests are equally as important. The great thing about >> >> > > > > > > >>these tests are that we can share work with the WINE project, and we >> >> > > > >>should be making more use of them because there are already many >> >> > > > >>tests >> >> > > > >>written. Steven, perhaps you could write a doc on this subject for >> >> > > > >>the >> >> > > > >>Library? >> >> > > > > > > >>Thanks >> >> > > > >>Jason >> >> > > > > > > >>Ciobanu Alexander wrote: >> >> > > > >>>Pe data de Vineri 23 Ianuarie 2004 21:39, Steven Edwards a scris: >>> >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>Then, there should be set a compatible framework and create some >>> >>> > > > > > > >>sort of >> >> > > > > > > >>>documentation on this, for people like me, that could help with >>> >>> > > > > > > >>this, but are >> >> > > > > > > >>>not aware of wine "code style". I think you should set up a list of >>> >>> > > > > > > >>regtests >> >> > > > > > > >>>to be done and hopefully someone( consider me in ) could do this >>> >>> > > > > > > >>job. >> >> > > > > > > >>>>--- Jason Filby <jasonfilby(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> > > > >>>>>What we really do need is an organized group of individuals >>>>> >>>>> > > > > > > >>writing >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>regression tests. This is not as hard as writing code for ReactOS >>>>> >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>itself >>>>> >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>- but still very important. When code is modified it very likely >>>>> >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>introduces new bugs that may not be immediately obvious - we need >>>>> >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>regression tests to keep this in check. There is a framework, but >>>>> >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>there's a ton of work to be done. >>>>> >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>Yes we also need to make sure we dont spend years rewritting tests >>>> >>>> > > > > > > >>that >> >> > > > > > > >>>>already exist in the WINE regression test suite. We need to make >>>> >>>> > > > > > > >>some >> >> > > > > > > >>>>minor changes to our regression suite to allow for people to write >>>> >>>> > > > > > > >>WINE >> >> > > > > > > >>>>style regression tests for Win32 componates so we can share code >>>> >>>> > > > > > > >>and >> >> > > > > > > >>>>dump most of the existing tests in reactos/apps/tests. >>>> >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>Thanks >>>> >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>Steven >>>> >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>__________________________________ >>>> >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>> >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. 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Re: [ros-general] Testing
by Jason Filby 24 Jan '04

24 Jan '04

Hi Ciobanu There is already some documentation on kernel/subsystem regression tests. This part of ReactOS is not swappable with WINE, but covers drivers, overall stability of the OS and of course the win32 subsystem. You can find a doc here: http://reactos.com/reactos_unified_library/reactos_developer_documentation/… Missing from the doc is an explanation of how to load these tests under Windows to confirm results, this is still in the pipeline. Of course, WINE tests are equally as important. The great thing about these tests are that we can share work with the WINE project, and we should be making more use of them because there are already many tests written. Steven, perhaps you could write a doc on this subject for the Library? Thanks Jason Ciobanu Alexander wrote: >Pe data de Vineri 23 Ianuarie 2004 21:39, Steven Edwards a scris: > > > >Then, there should be set a compatible framework and create some sort of > >documentation on this, for people like me, that could help with this, but are > >not aware of wine "code style". I think you should set up a list of regtests > >to be done and hopefully someone( consider me in ) could do this job. > > > > > >>--- Jason Filby <jasonfilby(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> > > > >>>What we really do need is an organized group of individuals writing >>> >>> > > > >>>regression tests. This is not as hard as writing code for ReactOS >>> >>> > > > >>>itself >>> >>> > > > >>>- but still very important. When code is modified it very likely >>> >>> > > > >>>introduces new bugs that may not be immediately obvious - we need >>> >>> > > > >>>regression tests to keep this in check. There is a framework, but >>> >>> > > > >>>there's a ton of work to be done. >>> >>> > > > > > > >>Yes we also need to make sure we dont spend years rewritting tests that >> >> > > > >>already exist in the WINE regression test suite. We need to make some >> >> > > > >>minor changes to our regression suite to allow for people to write WINE >> >> > > > >>style regression tests for Win32 componates so we can share code and >> >> > > > >>dump most of the existing tests in reactos/apps/tests. >> >> > > > > > > >>Thanks >> >> > > > >>Steven >> >> > > > > > > > > > >>__________________________________ >> >> > > > >>Do you Yahoo!? >> >> > > > >>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! >> >> > > > >>http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ >> >> > > > >>_______________________________________________ >> >> > > > >>ros-general mailing list >> >> > > > >>ros-general(a)reactos.com >> >> > > > >>http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general >> >> > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

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Testing
by Jason Filby 24 Jan '04

24 Jan '04

Hi all On the topic of testing and testing teams: We really don't need an organized group of individuals looking for bugs just yet. The bugs are more than obvious to the developers - and people who try out ReactOS don't exactly hold back when they notice something not working properly. What we really do need is an organized group of individuals writing regression tests. This is not as hard as writing code for ReactOS itself - but still very important. When code is modified it very likely introduces new bugs that may not be immediately obvious - we need regression tests to keep this in check. There is a framework, but there's a ton of work to be done. Cheers Jason __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

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A little short on time
by Steven Edwards 23 Jan '04

23 Jan '04

Sorry I have been short on time to follow up on some of my committed projects with winmm, setupapi and the shell32 merges. I have had 2 security audits to do, A exchange server and a VPN go down and my regular work load before Wineconf so I will still be a little scarce for a few days. Thanks Steven __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

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ReactOS Compatibility
by Jeff Smith 23 Jan '04

23 Jan '04

I did some testing, and the Winzip self extracting files work under ReactOS, they extract everything... and Winamp 0.96 run under ReactOS... the right click fuctionality doesn't work yet... the earlier versions of Winamp I tried also work even 0.2, but the menus don't work. but this is great that we have some real Windows apps running under ReactOS :)

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