Re: [ros-general] Wait a second...

[Tim Jobling]

I chime in even less than Richard, but I have to say I
whole heartedly agree with his sentiment.

Perhaps we should take a lesson from the early history
of this project and get back to letting the code talk
for it's self.

Reactos started at with an "emphasis on results -- on
written code rather than endless talk".  Famous words,
I'm sure we have all read 100 times, but now seems
like a really good time to remind everyone of them.

Kind regards,
Tim Jobling

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Campbell" [e-mail]
To: "ReactOS General List" [e-mail]
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 6:49 PM
Subject: [ros-general] Wait a second...
> Now, i've been reading the lists the past few

days...I may chime in from
> time to time with my thoughts here and there, but

for the most part i've
> tried to keep my mouth shut.
>
> Lately however, there has been so much bickering

going on.  Every thread
> has been turning into a flame war.  Several

developers have left, are
> threatening to leave.  I think everyone needs to

CHILL OUT for a moment.
> There is so much argument over who should be doing

what, what their
> rights should be, etc.  There is no sense in this.

ReactOS is supposed
> to be a fun project, yet suddenly we are caught up

in politics.  We
> really need to find a better way of doing this.

Flaming each other,
> getting mad, threatening to, or in some cases

leaving the project is NOT
> the right thing to do.  What will end up happening

is that the project
> will slowly fade away into obscurity, and I for one

do not want this to
> happen.
>
> While I don't have any recommendations as to how to

do this, i do think
> that there is a solution, and i will be thinking

about this over the
> next few hours/days.
>
> Regards,
> Richard

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[TwoTailedFox]

I had exactly the same thought, Tim.

Maybe that should be the 'ReactOS Motto'?

On 10/16/05, Tim Jobling [e-mail] wrote:
> I chime in even less than Richard, but I have to say I
> whole heartedly agree with his sentiment.
>
> Perhaps we should take a lesson from the early history
> of this project and get back to letting the code talk
> for it's self.
>
> Reactos started at with an "emphasis on results -- on
> written code rather than endless talk".  Famous words,
> I'm sure we have all read 100 times, but now seems
> like a really good time to remind everyone of them.
>
> Kind regards,
> Tim Jobling
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Campbell" [e-mail]
> To: "ReactOS General List" [e-mail]
> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 6:49 PM
> Subject: [ros-general] Wait a second...
> > Now, i've been reading the lists the past few
>
> days...I may chime in from
> > time to time with my thoughts here and there, but
>
> for the most part i've
> > tried to keep my mouth shut.
> >
> > Lately however, there has been so much bickering
>
> going on.  Every thread
> > has been turning into a flame war.  Several
>
> developers have left, are
> > threatening to leave.  I think everyone needs to
>
> CHILL OUT for a moment.
> > There is so much argument over who should be doing
>
> what, what their
> > rights should be, etc.  There is no sense in this.
>
> ReactOS is supposed
> > to be a fun project, yet suddenly we are caught up
>
> in politics.  We
> > really need to find a better way of doing this.
>
> Flaming each other,
> > getting mad, threatening to, or in some cases
>
> leaving the project is NOT
> > the right thing to do.  What will end up happening
>
> is that the project
> > will slowly fade away into obscurity, and I for one
>
> do not want this to
> > happen.
> >
> > While I don't have any recommendations as to how to
>
> do this, i do think
> > that there is a solution, and i will be thinking
>
> about this over the
> > next few hours/days.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Richard
>
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[Wesley Parish]

Remember that adage of the Free and Open Source community?  "Code is Law"?

Meaning that arguing's not anything worth near as much as a good file of code.

Just my 0.02c (inflation - it's obvious ;)

Wesley Parish

On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:03, TwoTailedFox wrote:
> I had exactly the same thought, Tim.
>
> Maybe that should be the 'ReactOS Motto'?
>
> On 10/16/05, Tim Jobling [e-mail] wrote:
> > I chime in even less than Richard, but I have to say I
> > whole heartedly agree with his sentiment.
> >
> > Perhaps we should take a lesson from the early history
> > of this project and get back to letting the code talk
> > for it's self.
> >
> > Reactos started at with an "emphasis on results -- on
> > written code rather than endless talk".  Famous words,
> > I'm sure we have all read 100 times, but now seems
> > like a really good time to remind everyone of them.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Tim Jobling
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Richard Campbell" [e-mail]
> > To: "ReactOS General List" [e-mail]
> > Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 6:49 PM
> > Subject: [ros-general] Wait a second...
> > > Now, i've been reading the lists the past few
> >
> > days...I may chime in from
> > > time to time with my thoughts here and there, but
> >
> > for the most part i've
> > > tried to keep my mouth shut.
> > >
> > > Lately however, there has been so much bickering
> >
> > going on.  Every thread
> > > has been turning into a flame war.  Several
> >
> > developers have left, are
> > > threatening to leave.  I think everyone needs to
> >
> > CHILL OUT for a moment.
> > > There is so much argument over who should be doing
> >
> > what, what their
> > > rights should be, etc.  There is no sense in this.
> >
> > ReactOS is supposed
> > > to be a fun project, yet suddenly we are caught up
> >
> > in politics.  We
> > > really need to find a better way of doing this.
> >
> > Flaming each other,
> > > getting mad, threatening to, or in some cases
> >
> > leaving the project is NOT
> > > the right thing to do.  What will end up happening
> >
> > is that the project
> > > will slowly fade away into obscurity, and I for one
> >
> > do not want this to
> > > happen.
> > >
> > > While I don't have any recommendations as to how to
> >
> > do this, i do think
> > > that there is a solution, and i will be thinking
> >
> > about this over the
> > > next few hours/days.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Richard
> >
> > Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with
> > voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > ros-general mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
>
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-----
Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui?
You ask, what is the most important thing?
Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata.
I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people.

[Casper Hornstrup]

Just code, don't talk works fine...when you are a two people project.

ReactOS isn't a two people project anymore. We need a fair way to
settle disagreements and we need a way to remember the decisions
we make. Fair meaning that everyone has equal opportunity to
influence the decision. We need a constitution.

Casper
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Tim
> Jobling
> Sent: 16. oktober 2005 22:55
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: [ros-general] Wait a second...
>
> I chime in even less than Richard, but I have to say I
> whole heartedly agree with his sentiment.
>
> Perhaps we should take a lesson from the early history
> of this project and get back to letting the code talk
> for it's self.
>
> Reactos started at with an "emphasis on results -- on
> written code rather than endless talk".  Famous words,
> I'm sure we have all read 100 times, but now seems
> like a really good time to remind everyone of them.
>
> Kind regards,
> Tim Jobling

[K McI]

Casper Hornstrup wrote:
> Just code, don't talk works fine...when you are a two people project.

I agree exactly. Governments have constitutions to prevent seizures of 
or misallocation of power, or worse, total inaction do to fear of those 
things. Projects have them to prevent infighting (As I recently noticed 
on another, different project) and the above.

Also, that rule applies best when there are few, well known and trusted 
people in a project and little major outside knowledge or information 
because it assumes everyone is trustworthy and there's no inclination to 
duplicity or malice.

The new site seems to have elevated ROS a new level, most especially now 
that BugZilla is usable, things are definitely moving faster. IMAO, I 
suggest this be done (However), if for nothing else then to hopefully 
preclude the recent vote-fights I've been seeing on the ML.

Thanx,

-uQ