Re: [ros-general] Wait a second...

[Tim Jobling]

I chime in even less than Richard, but I have to say I
whole heartedly agree with his sentiment.

Perhaps we should take a lesson from the early history
of this project and get back to letting the code talk
for it's self. 

Reactos started at with an "emphasis on results -- on
written code rather than endless talk".  Famous words,
I'm sure we have all read 100 times, but now seems
like a really good time to remind everyone of them.

Kind regards,
Tim Jobling

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Campbell" <eek2121(a)comcast.net>
To: "ReactOS General List" <ros-general(a)reactos.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 6:49 PM
Subject: [ros-general] Wait a second...


>   Now, i've been reading the lists the past few
days...I may chime in from 
>   time to time with my thoughts here and there, but
for the most part i've 
>   tried to keep my mouth shut. 
>  
>  Lately however, there has been so much bickering 
going on.  Every thread 
>   has been turning into a flame war.  Several
developers have left, are 
>   threatening to leave.  I think everyone needs to
CHILL OUT for a moment.
>   
>  There is so much argument over who should be doing 
what, what their 
>   rights should be, etc.  There is no sense in this. 
ReactOS is supposed 
>   to be a fun project, yet suddenly we are caught up
in politics.  We 
>   really need to find a better way of doing this. 
Flaming each other, 
>   getting mad, threatening to, or in some cases
leaving the project is NOT 
>   the right thing to do.  What will end up happening
is that the project 
>   will slowly fade away into obscurity, and I for one
do not want this to 
>   happen.
>  
>  While I don't have any recommendations as to how to 
do this, i do think 
>   that there is a solution, and i will be thinking
about this over the 
>   next few hours/days.
>  
>  Regards,
>  Richard 

	
	
		
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[TwoTailedFox]

I had exactly the same thought, Tim.

Maybe that should be the 'ReactOS Motto'?

On 10/16/05, Tim Jobling <tjob800(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>   I chime in even less than Richard, but I have to say
> I
>  whole heartedly agree with his sentiment.
>
>  Perhaps we should take a lesson from the early history
>  of this project and get back to letting the code talk
>  for it's self.
>
>  Reactos started at with an "emphasis on results -- on
>  written code rather than endless talk".  Famous words,
>  I'm sure we have all read 100 times, but now seems
>  like a really good time to remind everyone of them.
>
>  Kind regards,
>  Tim Jobling
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Richard Campbell" <eek2121(a)comcast.net>
>  To: "ReactOS General List" <ros-general(a)reactos.org>
>  Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 6:49 PM
>  Subject: [ros-general] Wait a second...
>
>
> >   Now, i've been reading the lists the past few
>  days...I may chime in from
> >   time to time with my thoughts here and there, but
>  for the most part i've
> >   tried to keep my mouth shut.
> >
> >  Lately however, there has been so much bickering 
>  going on.  Every thread
> >   has been turning into a flame war.  Several
>  developers have left, are
> >   threatening to leave.  I think everyone needs to
>  CHILL OUT for a moment.
> >  
> >  There is so much argument over who should be doing 
>  what, what their
> >   rights should be, etc.  There is no sense in
> > this. 
>  ReactOS is supposed
> >   to be a fun project, yet suddenly we are caught
> > up 
>  in politics.  We
> >   really need to find a better way of doing this.
>  Flaming each other,
> >   getting mad, threatening to, or in some cases
>  leaving the project is NOT
> >   the right thing to do.  What will end up
> > happening 
>  is that the project
> >   will slowly fade away into obscurity, and I for
> > one 
>  do not want this to
> >   happen.
> >
> >  While I don't have any recommendations as to how to 
>  do this, i do think
> >   that there is a solution, and i will be thinking
>  about this over the
> >   next few hours/days.
> >
> >  Regards,
> >  Richard 
>
>
>
>
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[Wesley Parish]

Remember that adage of the Free and Open Source community?  "Code is Law"?

Meaning that arguing's not anything worth near as much as a good file of code.

Just my 0.02c (inflation - it's obvious ;)

Wesley Parish

On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:03, TwoTailedFox wrote:
>   I had exactly the same thought, Tim.
>
>  Maybe that should be the 'ReactOS Motto'?
>
>  On 10/16/05, Tim Jobling <tjob800(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >   I chime in even less than Richard, but I have to
> > say I
> >  whole heartedly agree with his sentiment.
> >
> >  Perhaps we should take a lesson from the early history
> >  of this project and get back to letting the code talk
> >  for it's self.
> >
> >  Reactos started at with an "emphasis on results -- on
> >  written code rather than endless talk".  Famous words,
> >  I'm sure we have all read 100 times, but now seems
> >  like a really good time to remind everyone of them.
> >
> >  Kind regards,
> >  Tim Jobling
> >
> >  ----- Original Message -----
> >  From: "Richard Campbell" <eek2121(a)comcast.net>
> >  To: "ReactOS General List" <ros-general(a)reactos.org>
> >  Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 6:49 PM
> >  Subject: [ros-general] Wait a second...
> >
> > >   Now, i've been reading the lists the past few
> >  days...I may chime in from
> >
> > >   time to time with my thoughts here and there, but
> >  for the most part i've
> >
> > >   tried to keep my mouth shut.
> > >
> > >  Lately however, there has been so much bickering 
> >  going on.  Every thread
> >
> > >   has been turning into a flame war.  Several
> >  developers have left, are
> >
> > >   threatening to leave.  I think everyone needs to
> >  CHILL OUT for a moment.
> >
> > >   There is so much argument over who should be
> > > doing 
> >  what, what their
> >
> > >   rights should be, etc.  There is no sense in
> > > this. 
> >  ReactOS is supposed
> >
> > >   to be a fun project, yet suddenly we are caught
> > > up 
> >  in politics.  We
> >
> > >   really need to find a better way of doing this.
> >  Flaming each other,
> >
> > >   getting mad, threatening to, or in some cases
> >  leaving the project is NOT
> >
> > >   the right thing to do.  What will end up
> > > happening 
> >  is that the project
> >
> > >   will slowly fade away into obscurity, and I for
> > > one 
> >  do not want this to
> >
> > >   happen.
> > >
> > >  While I don't have any recommendations as to how to 
> >  do this, i do think
> >
> > >   that there is a solution, and i will be thinking
> >  about this over the
> >
> > >   next few hours/days.
> > >
> > >  Regards,
> > >  Richard 
> >  ___________________________________________________________
> >  Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with
> >  voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  ros-general mailing list
> >  ros-general(a)reactos.org
> >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general 
>  --
>  "I had a handle on life, but then it broke"
>
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-----
Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui?
You ask, what is the most important thing?
Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata.
I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people.

[Casper Hornstrup]

Just code, don't talk works fine...when you are a two people project.

ReactOS isn't a two people project anymore. We need a fair way to
settle disagreements and we need a way to remember the decisions
we make. Fair meaning that everyone has equal opportunity to
influence the decision. We need a constitution.

Casper

>   -----Original Message-----
>  From: ros-general-bounces(a)reactos.org [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf
> Of Tim
>  Jobling
>  Sent: 16. oktober 2005 22:55
>  To: ros-general(a)reactos.org
>  Subject: Re: [ros-general] Wait a second...
>  
>  I chime in even less than Richard, but I have to say I
>  whole heartedly agree with his sentiment.
>  
>  Perhaps we should take a lesson from the early history
>  of this project and get back to letting the code talk
>  for it's self.
>  
>  Reactos started at with an "emphasis on results -- on
>  written code rather than endless talk".  Famous words,
>  I'm sure we have all read 100 times, but now seems
>  like a really good time to remind everyone of them.
>  
>  Kind regards,
>  Tim Jobling
>

[K McI]

Casper Hornstrup wrote:
>   Just code, don't talk works fine...when you are a
> two people project. 
I agree exactly. Governments have constitutions to prevent seizures of 
or misallocation of power, or worse, total inaction do to fear of those 
things. Projects have them to prevent infighting (As I recently noticed 
on another, different project) and the above.

Also, that rule applies best when there are few, well known and trusted 
people in a project and little major outside knowledge or information 
because it assumes everyone is trustworthy and there's no inclination to 
duplicity or malice.

The new site seems to have elevated ROS a new level, most especially now 
that BugZilla is usable, things are definitely moving faster. IMAO, I 
suggest this be done (However), if for nothing else then to hopefully 
preclude the recent vote-fights I've been seeing on the ML.

Thanx,

         -uQ