"My Computer" and co.

[Andrew "Silver Blade" Greenwood]

Just a small request, after having to endure Microsoft's attempts to make
everything "mine".

Can we PLEASE not mirror Microsoft's:
- My Computer
- My Network Places
- My Documents
- My Pictures
- My Music

and so on.

Can we at least have "The Computer" "Network" "Documents"
etc. instead?
Something a little less selfish-sounding please!

May seem like a stupid request, but I have spent a long time tweaking
Windows to stop it from reminding me that my files are, in fact, my files,
along with anything anyone else in my family save on my computer.

So, erm, can we get rid of all this "me me me", or at least make it
optional?

-Andrew

[Mark IJbema]

On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 11:26:33PM -0000, Andrew Silver Blade Greenwood wrote:
>   Just a small request, after having to endure
> Microsoft's attempts to make
>  everything "mine".
>  
>  Can we PLEASE not mirror Microsoft's:
>  - My Computer
>  - My Network Places
>  - My Documents
>  - My Pictures
>  - My Music
>  
>  and so on.
>  
>  Can we at least have "The Computer" "Network" "Documents"
> etc. instead?
>  Something a little less selfish-sounding please! 
I totally agree. I don't see the need for some of these folders either
(my pictures? my music? are those standards for windows? Because
everywhere i've been i've seen them empty)

Mark

[Andrew "Silver Blade" Greenwood]

> >   Can we at
> > least have "The Computer" "Network" "Documents" etc.
> > instead?
> >  Something a little less selfish-sounding please! 
>  I totally agree. I don't see the need for some of these folders either
>  (my pictures? my music? are those standards for windows? Because
>  everywhere i've been i've seen them empty) 
I've noticed this too - on my laptop, My Documents contains My Pictures and
My Music. Inside "My Pictures" is a shortcut to "Shared Pictures" in
the
"All Users" folder, containing some really bland images. As if we need an
example of what a picture looks like...

Still, "My Network Places" is a bit of a lame name, IMO. I preferred good
old "Network Neighborhood" or just plain "Network", like it is on my
machine. Having your favourite network places in the main folder of that is
useful, however.

At the end of the day, it may be Microsoft's way to make Windows a bit more
user-friendly, but its far too over the top, I think.

[Robert Köpferl]

Mark IJbema schrieb:
uments" etc. instead?
> >  Something a
> > little less selfish-sounding please! 
>  
>  
>  I totally agree. I don't see the need for some of these folders either
>  (my pictures? my music? are those standards for windows? Because
>  everywhere i've been i've seen them empty) 
ACK,  and they're empty for not being a hostage of M$-trojans 
(=mediaplayer) or other virusses.
>   
>  Mark
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>  ros-general(a)reactos.com
>  http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general

[Casper Hornstrup]

I don't see a good reason for not using the familiar Microsoft
terminlogy in vanilla ReactOS. But ReactOS is open source so you can
create your own distribution and use whatever terminlogy you want.

Casper

>   -----Original Message-----
>  From: ros-general-bounces(a)reactos.com 
>  [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Andrew 
>  "Silver Blade" Greenwood
>  Sent: 7. marts 2004 00:27
>  To: ros-general(a)reactos.com
>  Subject: [ros-general] "My Computer" and co.
>  
>  Just a small request, after having to endure Microsoft's 
>  attempts to make everything "mine".
>  
>  Can we PLEASE not mirror Microsoft's:
>  - My Computer
>  - My Network Places
>  - My Documents
>  - My Pictures
>  - My Music
>  
>  and so on.
>  
>  Can we at least have "The Computer" "Network" "Documents" 
>  etc. instead?
>  Something a little less selfish-sounding please!
>  
>  May seem like a stupid request, but I have spent a long time 
>  tweaking Windows to stop it from reminding me that my files 
>  are, in fact, my files, along with anything anyone else in my 
>  family save on my computer.
>  
>  So, erm, can we get rid of all this "me me me", or at least 
>  make it optional?
>  
>  -Andrew
>  
>  _______________________________________________
>  ros-general mailing list
>  ros-general(a)reactos.com
>  http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
>

[Tobias Ussing]

He didn't say "lets change My Computer to This Box", he said "My
Computer" to 
"The Computer". Though i would prefer "This Computer".

As long as its just semantic, and the meaning is still the same i see no 
reason to avoid being clear. i would much prefer "This Computer" to "My 
Computer". But i guess ROS could have themes which supported different names 
for system icons(should be easily implemented)

Sincerly
Tobias Ussing

On Sunday 07 March 2004 00:36, Casper Hornstrup wrote:
>   I don't see a good reason for not using the
> familiar Microsoft
>  terminlogy in vanilla ReactOS. But ReactOS is open source so you can
>  create your own distribution and use whatever terminlogy you want.
>
>  Casper
>
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >  From: ros-general-bounces(a)reactos.com
> >  [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Andrew
> >  "Silver Blade" Greenwood
> >  Sent: 7. marts 2004 00:27
> >  To: ros-general(a)reactos.com
> >  Subject: [ros-general] "My Computer" and co.
> >
> >  Just a small request, after having to endure Microsoft's
> >  attempts to make everything "mine".
> >
> >  Can we PLEASE not mirror Microsoft's:
> >  - My Computer
> >  - My Network Places
> >  - My Documents
> >  - My Pictures
> >  - My Music
> >
> >  and so on.
> >
> >  Can we at least have "The Computer" "Network" "Documents"
> >  etc. instead?
> >  Something a little less selfish-sounding please!
> >
> >  May seem like a stupid request, but I have spent a long time
> >  tweaking Windows to stop it from reminding me that my files
> >  are, in fact, my files, along with anything anyone else in my
> >  family save on my computer.
> >
> >  So, erm, can we get rid of all this "me me me", or at least
> >  make it optional?
> >
> >  -Andrew
> >
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  ros-general mailing list
> >  ros-general(a)reactos.com
> >  http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general 
>  _______________________________________________
>  ros-general mailing list
>  ros-general(a)reactos.com
>  http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general

[Andrew "Silver Blade" Greenwood]

Yes, "This Computer" does make more sense.

Maybe we can have this as some sort of setup option? vandread on IRC
suggested the use of "doc" for Documents, but that's more Linux-like. So
maybe we could have options to have things like Program Files as "bin" or
something? I don't know, that's just a guess.

I'd like to see this easily customizable, if possible?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tobias Ussing" <tobias(a)seriesdb.com>
To: <ros-general(a)reactos.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [ros-general] "My Computer" and co.


>   He didn't say "lets change My Computer to
> This Box", he said "My Computer" 
to
>   "The Computer". Though i would prefer
> "This Computer".
>
>  As long as its just semantic, and the meaning is still the same i see no
>  reason to avoid being clear. i would much prefer "This Computer" to "My
>  Computer". But i guess ROS could have themes which supported different 
names
>   for system icons(should be easily implemented)
>
>  Sincerly
>  Tobias Ussing
>
>  On Sunday 07 March 2004 00:36, Casper Hornstrup wrote:
> >   I don't see a good reason for not using the
> > familiar Microsoft
> >  terminlogy in vanilla ReactOS. But ReactOS is open source so you can
> >  create your own distribution and use whatever terminlogy you want.
> >
> >  Casper
> >
> > >   -----Original Message-----
> > >  From: ros-general-bounces(a)reactos.com
> > >  [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Andrew
> > >  "Silver Blade" Greenwood
> > >  Sent: 7. marts 2004 00:27
> > >  To: ros-general(a)reactos.com
> > >  Subject: [ros-general] "My Computer" and co.
> > >
> > >  Just a small request, after having to endure Microsoft's
> > >  attempts to make everything "mine".
> > >
> > >  Can we PLEASE not mirror Microsoft's:
> > >  - My Computer
> > >  - My Network Places
> > >  - My Documents
> > >  - My Pictures
> > >  - My Music
> > >
> > >  and so on.
> > >
> > >  Can we at least have "The Computer" "Network" "Documents"
> > >  etc. instead?
> > >  Something a little less selfish-sounding please!
> > >
> > >  May seem like a stupid request, but I have spent a long time
> > >  tweaking Windows to stop it from reminding me that my files
> > >  are, in fact, my files, along with anything anyone else in my
> > >  family save on my computer.
> > >
> > >  So, erm, can we get rid of all this "me me me", or at least
> > >  make it optional?
> > >
> > >  -Andrew
> > >
> > >  _______________________________________________
> > >  ros-general mailing list
> > >  ros-general(a)reactos.com
> > >  http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general 
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  ros-general mailing list
> >  ros-general(a)reactos.com
> >  http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general 
> _______________________________________________
>  ros-general mailing list
>  ros-general(a)reactos.com
>  http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
>
>

[Tobias Ussing]

In the translation team we are working on a XML document which will hold the 
language. I see no reason that a standard XML document can't be 
expanded/changed with a secondary external XML document, which would be 
contained in the theme. Thus any and all occurences of "This Computer" or
"My 
Computer" would only be defined once(unless some programmer have hardcodded 
into his program).

So on boot, load language XML document. Apply theme(overwrite settings).

Sincerly
Tobias Ussing

On Sunday 07 March 2004 01:06, Andrew "Silver Blade" Greenwood wrote:
>   Yes, "This Computer" does make more sense.
>
>  Maybe we can have this as some sort of setup option? vandread on IRC
>  suggested the use of "doc" for Documents, but that's more Linux-like. So
>  maybe we could have options to have things like Program Files as "bin" or
>  something? I don't know, that's just a guess.
>
>  I'd like to see this easily customizable, if possible?
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Tobias Ussing" <tobias(a)seriesdb.com>
>  To: <ros-general(a)reactos.com>
>  Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 11:51 PM
>  Subject: Re: [ros-general] "My Computer" and co.
>
> >   He didn't say "lets change My Computer
> > to This Box", he said "My
> >  Computer" 
>  to
>
> >   "The Computer". Though i would prefer
> > "This Computer".
> >
> >  As long as its just semantic, and the meaning is still the same i see no
> >  reason to avoid being clear. i would much prefer "This Computer" to "My
> >  Computer". But i guess ROS could have themes which supported different 
>  names
>
>  > for system icons(should be easily implemented)
>  >
>  > Sincerly
>  > Tobias Ussing
>  >
>  > On Sunday 07 March 2004 00:36, Casper Hornstrup wrote:
>  > > I don't see a good reason for not using the familiar Microsoft
>  > > terminlogy in vanilla ReactOS. But ReactOS is open source so you can
>  > > create your own distribution and use whatever terminlogy you want.
>  > >
>  > > Casper
>  > >
>  > > > -----Original Message-----
>  > > > From: ros-general-bounces(a)reactos.com
>  > > > [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Andrew
>  > > > "Silver Blade" Greenwood
>  > > > Sent: 7. marts 2004 00:27
>  > > > To: ros-general(a)reactos.com
>  > > > Subject: [ros-general] "My Computer" and co.
>  > > >
>  > > > Just a small request, after having to endure Microsoft's
>  > > > attempts to make everything "mine".
>  > > >
>  > > > Can we PLEASE not mirror Microsoft's:
>  > > > - My Computer
>  > > > - My Network Places
>  > > > - My Documents
>  > > > - My Pictures
>  > > > - My Music
>  > > >
>  > > > and so on.
>  > > >
>  > > > Can we at least have "The Computer" "Network"
> "Documents"
>  > > > etc. instead?
>  > > > Something a little less selfish-sounding please!
>  > > >
>  > > > May seem like a stupid request, but I have spent a long time
>  > > > tweaking Windows to stop it from reminding me that my files
>  > > > are, in fact, my files, along with anything anyone else in my
>  > > > family save on my computer.
>  > > >
>  > > > So, erm, can we get rid of all this "me me me", or at least
>  > > > make it optional?
>  > > >
>  > > > -Andrew
>  > > >
>  > > > _______________________________________________
>  > > > ros-general mailing list
>  > > > ros-general(a)reactos.com
>  > > > http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
>  > >
>  > > _______________________________________________
>  > > ros-general mailing list
>  > > ros-general(a)reactos.com
>  > > http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
>  >
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > ros-general mailing list
>  > ros-general(a)reactos.com
>  > http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general

[Mark IJbema]

On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 12:06:57AM -0000, Andrew Silver Blade Greenwood wrote:
>   Yes, "This Computer" does make more sense.
>  
>  Maybe we can have this as some sort of setup option? vandread on IRC
>  suggested the use of "doc" for Documents, but that's more Linux-like. So
>  maybe we could have options to have things like Program Files as "bin" or
>  something? I don't know, that's just a guess. 
Well, i said i'd like that better, for myself, i don't think it should
be the ReactOS default though. But naming schemes would be sweet :)

Mark

[Wesley Parish]

I know d*** well that I hated the My Documents, My Computer, etc, when I first 
saw it.  I don't like being treated like a kiddie and spoken to in little 
more than baby-language.

Perhaps a tutorial on naming the computer parts for newbies?  (As long as it's 
not in *.hlp.  That's interesting, but mostly irrelevant now we've got *.xml.   
And several quality XML renderers.)

Wesley Parish

On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 12:51, Tobias Ussing wrote:
>   He didn't say "lets change My Computer to
> This Box", he said "My Computer"
>  to "The Computer". Though i would prefer "This Computer".
>
>  As long as its just semantic, and the meaning is still the same i see no
>  reason to avoid being clear. i would much prefer "This Computer" to "My
>  Computer". But i guess ROS could have themes which supported different
>  names for system icons(should be easily implemented)
>
>  Sincerly
>  Tobias Ussing
>
>  On Sunday 07 March 2004 00:36, Casper Hornstrup wrote:
> >   I don't see a good reason for not using the
> > familiar Microsoft
> >  terminlogy in vanilla ReactOS. But ReactOS is open source so you can
> >  create your own distribution and use whatever terminlogy you want.
> >
> >  Casper
> >
> > >   -----Original Message-----
> > >  From: ros-general-bounces(a)reactos.com
> > >  [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Andrew
> > >  "Silver Blade" Greenwood
> > >  Sent: 7. marts 2004 00:27
> > >  To: ros-general(a)reactos.com
> > >  Subject: [ros-general] "My Computer" and co.
> > >
> > >  Just a small request, after having to endure Microsoft's
> > >  attempts to make everything "mine".
> > >
> > >  Can we PLEASE not mirror Microsoft's:
> > >  - My Computer
> > >  - My Network Places
> > >  - My Documents
> > >  - My Pictures
> > >  - My Music
> > >
> > >  and so on.
> > >
> > >  Can we at least have "The Computer" "Network" "Documents"
> > >  etc. instead?
> > >  Something a little less selfish-sounding please!
> > >
> > >  May seem like a stupid request, but I have spent a long time
> > >  tweaking Windows to stop it from reminding me that my files
> > >  are, in fact, my files, along with anything anyone else in my
> > >  family save on my computer.
> > >
> > >  So, erm, can we get rid of all this "me me me", or at least
> > >  make it optional?
> > >
> > >  -Andrew
> > >
> > >  _______________________________________________
> > >  ros-general mailing list
> > >  ros-general(a)reactos.com
> > >  http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general 
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  ros-general mailing list
> >  ros-general(a)reactos.com
> >  http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general 
>  _______________________________________________
>  ros-general mailing list
>  ros-general(a)reactos.com
>  http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general 
-- 
Wesley Parish
* * *
Clinersterton beademung - in all of love.  RIP James Blish
* * *
Mau e ki, "He aha te mea nui?"
You ask, "What is the most important thing?"
Maku e ki, "He tangata, he tangata, he tangata."
I reply, "It is people, it is people, it is people."

[Andrew "Silver Blade" Greenwood]

I'm not saying we should change it entirely, but to just remove the
un-necessary "My"s that are appearing everywhere. It won't be long before
we
have "My Favorites" and "My Outlook Express" and "My Internet
Explorer"...

Just a preference really, but I've had 3 people agree that "My" is
un-necessary. It's no biggie, just wondered what everyone else thinks?



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Casper Hornstrup" <chorns(a)users.sourceforge.net>
To: <ros-general(a)reactos.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 11:36 PM
Subject: RE: [ros-general] "My Computer" and co.


>   I don't see a good reason for not using the
> familiar Microsoft
>  terminlogy in vanilla ReactOS. But ReactOS is open source so you can
>  create your own distribution and use whatever terminlogy you want.
>
>  Casper
>
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >  From: ros-general-bounces(a)reactos.com
> >  [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Andrew
> >  "Silver Blade" Greenwood
> >  Sent: 7. marts 2004 00:27
> >  To: ros-general(a)reactos.com
> >  Subject: [ros-general] "My Computer" and co.
> >
> >  Just a small request, after having to endure Microsoft's
> >  attempts to make everything "mine".
> >
> >  Can we PLEASE not mirror Microsoft's:
> >  - My Computer
> >  - My Network Places
> >  - My Documents
> >  - My Pictures
> >  - My Music
> >
> >  and so on.
> >
> >  Can we at least have "The Computer" "Network" "Documents"
> >  etc. instead?
> >  Something a little less selfish-sounding please!
> >
> >  May seem like a stupid request, but I have spent a long time
> >  tweaking Windows to stop it from reminding me that my files
> >  are, in fact, my files, along with anything anyone else in my
> >  family save on my computer.
> >
> >  So, erm, can we get rid of all this "me me me", or at least
> >  make it optional?
> >
> >  -Andrew
> >
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  ros-general mailing list
> >  ros-general(a)reactos.com
> >  http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> >  
>  _______________________________________________
>  ros-general mailing list
>  ros-general(a)reactos.com
>  http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
>
>

[Tim Robinson]

The PDC build of Longhorn has "Computer", "Documents" and
"Network".

Apparently the Microsoft developers prefer these names, and the "My"
prefix on previous Windows versions was added later by marketing.

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 00:00:29 -0000
"Andrew \"Silver Blade\" Greenwood" <lists(a)silverblade.co.uk>
wrote:

>   I'm not saying we should change it entirely, but
> to just remove the
>  un-necessary "My"s that are appearing everywhere. It won't be long before
> we
>  have "My Favorites" and "My Outlook Express" and "My Internet
> Explorer"...
>  
>  Just a preference really, but I've had 3 people agree that "My" is
>  un-necessary. It's no biggie, just wondered what everyone else thinks?
>  
>  
>  
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: "Casper Hornstrup" <chorns(a)users.sourceforge.net>
>  To: <ros-general(a)reactos.com>
>  Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 11:36 PM
>  Subject: RE: [ros-general] "My Computer" and co.
>  
>  
> >   I don't see a good reason for not using the
> > familiar Microsoft
> >  terminlogy in vanilla ReactOS. But ReactOS is open source so you can
> >  create your own distribution and use whatever terminlogy you want.
> >
> >  Casper
> >
> > >   -----Original Message-----
> > >  From: ros-general-bounces(a)reactos.com
> > >  [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Andrew
> > >  "Silver Blade" Greenwood
> > >  Sent: 7. marts 2004 00:27
> > >  To: ros-general(a)reactos.com
> > >  Subject: [ros-general] "My Computer" and co.
> > >
> > >  Just a small request, after having to endure Microsoft's
> > >  attempts to make everything "mine".
> > >
> > >  Can we PLEASE not mirror Microsoft's:
> > >  - My Computer
> > >  - My Network Places
> > >  - My Documents
> > >  - My Pictures
> > >  - My Music
> > >
> > >  and so on.
> > >
> > >  Can we at least have "The Computer" "Network" "Documents"
> > >  etc. instead?
> > >  Something a little less selfish-sounding please!
> > >
> > >  May seem like a stupid request, but I have spent a long time
> > >  tweaking Windows to stop it from reminding me that my files
> > >  are, in fact, my files, along with anything anyone else in my
> > >  family save on my computer.
> > >
> > >  So, erm, can we get rid of all this "me me me", or at least
> > >  make it optional?
> > >
> > >  -Andrew
> > >
> > >  _______________________________________________
> > >  ros-general mailing list
> > >  ros-general(a)reactos.com
> > >  http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> > >  
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  ros-general mailing list
> >  ros-general(a)reactos.com
> >  http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> >
> >  
>  
>  _______________________________________________
>  ros-general mailing list
>  ros-general(a)reactos.com
>  http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general 
-- 
Tim Robinson <tim(a)gaat.freeserve.co.uk>

[Tobias Ussing]

If this is only on longhorn maybe microsoft just changed the names. It doesn't 
mean that it will be "my computer" in the final release, though i guess a 
beta would solve that dispute.

What does the PDC of NT 4 or 2k say?

Sincerly
Tobias Ussing

On Sunday 07 March 2004 01:08, Tim Robinson wrote:
>   The PDC build of Longhorn has "Computer",
> "Documents" and "Network".
>
>  Apparently the Microsoft developers prefer these names, and the "My"
>  prefix on previous Windows versions was added later by marketing.
>
>  On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 00:00:29 -0000
>
>  "Andrew \"Silver Blade\" Greenwood" <lists(a)silverblade.co.uk>
> wrote:
>  > I'm not saying we should change it entirely, but to just remove the
>  > un-necessary "My"s that are appearing everywhere. It won't be long
> before
>  > we have "My Favorites" and "My Outlook Express" and "My
> Internet
>  > Explorer"...
>  >
>  > Just a preference really, but I've had 3 people agree that "My" is
>  > un-necessary. It's no biggie, just wondered what everyone else thinks?
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > ----- Original Message -----
>  > From: "Casper Hornstrup" <chorns(a)users.sourceforge.net>
>  > To: <ros-general(a)reactos.com>
>  > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 11:36 PM
>  > Subject: RE: [ros-general] "My Computer" and co.
>  >
>  > > I don't see a good reason for not using the familiar Microsoft
>  > > terminlogy in vanilla ReactOS. But ReactOS is open source so you can
>  > > create your own distribution and use whatever terminlogy you want.
>  > >
>  > > Casper
>  > >
>  > > > -----Original Message-----
>  > > > From: ros-general-bounces(a)reactos.com
>  > > > [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Andrew
>  > > > "Silver Blade" Greenwood
>  > > > Sent: 7. marts 2004 00:27
>  > > > To: ros-general(a)reactos.com
>  > > > Subject: [ros-general] "My Computer" and co.
>  > > >
>  > > > Just a small request, after having to endure Microsoft's
>  > > > attempts to make everything "mine".
>  > > >
>  > > > Can we PLEASE not mirror Microsoft's:
>  > > > - My Computer
>  > > > - My Network Places
>  > > > - My Documents
>  > > > - My Pictures
>  > > > - My Music
>  > > >
>  > > > and so on.
>  > > >
>  > > > Can we at least have "The Computer" "Network"
> "Documents"
>  > > > etc. instead?
>  > > > Something a little less selfish-sounding please!
>  > > >
>  > > > May seem like a stupid request, but I have spent a long time
>  > > > tweaking Windows to stop it from reminding me that my files
>  > > > are, in fact, my files, along with anything anyone else in my
>  > > > family save on my computer.
>  > > >
>  > > > So, erm, can we get rid of all this "me me me", or at least
>  > > > make it optional?
>  > > >
>  > > > -Andrew
>  > > >
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[Sukotto]

I agree with those other 3 people on this. Maybe the
default label for "My Computer" could be the hostname?
 
--- "Andrew \"Silver Blade\" Greenwood"
<lists(a)silverblade.co.uk> wrote:
>   I'm not saying we should change it entirely, but
> to
>  just remove the
>  un-necessary "My"s that are appearing everywhere. It
>  won't be long before we
>  have "My Favorites" and "My Outlook Express" and "My
>  Internet Explorer"...
>  
>  Just a preference really, but I've had 3 people
>  agree that "My" is
>  un-necessary. It's no biggie, just wondered what
>  everyone else thinks?
>  
>  
>  
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: "Casper Hornstrup"
>  <chorns(a)users.sourceforge.net>
>  To: <ros-general(a)reactos.com>
>  Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 11:36 PM
>  Subject: RE: [ros-general] "My Computer" and co.
>  
>  
> >   I don't see a good reason for not using the
>  familiar Microsoft
> >   terminlogy in vanilla ReactOS. But ReactOS is
> > open 
>  source so you can
> >   create your own distribution and use whatever
>  terminlogy you want.
> >  
> >  Casper
> >
> >  > -----Original Message-----
> >  > From: ros-general-bounces(a)reactos.com
> >  > [mailto:[e-mail]] On 
>  Behalf Of Andrew
> >   > "Silver Blade" Greenwood
> >  > Sent: 7. marts 2004 00:27
> >  > To: ros-general(a)reactos.com
> >  > Subject: [ros-general] "My Computer" and co.
> >  >
> >  > Just a small request, after having to endure 
>  Microsoft's
> >   > attempts to make everything
> > "mine".
> >  >
> >  > Can we PLEASE not mirror Microsoft's:
> >  > - My Computer
> >  > - My Network Places
> >  > - My Documents
> >  > - My Pictures
> >  > - My Music
> >  >
> >  > and so on.
> >  >
> >  > Can we at least have "The Computer" "Network" 
> "Documents"
> >   > etc. instead?
> >  > Something a little less selfish-sounding please!
> >  >
> >  > May seem like a stupid request, but I have spent 
>  a long time
> >   > tweaking Windows to stop it from reminding
> > me 
>  that my files
> >   > are, in fact, my files, along with anything
>  anyone else in my
> >   > family save on my computer.
> >  >
> >  > So, erm, can we get rid of all this "me me me", 
>  or at least
> > >   make it
> > > optional?
> > >
> > >  -Andrew
> > >
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[Mark IJbema]

On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 10:27:37PM -0800, Sukotto wrote:
>   I agree with those other 3 people on this. Maybe the
>  default label for "My Computer" could be the hostname? 
personally, i'd really like this, _however_ i do think it would be
really confusing to newbies, and people coming from MS Windows.

Mark

[Andrew "Silver Blade" Greenwood]

Considering during the Windows setup you need to set up the host name
usually, why don't we mirror that and not use "My Computer" - Can you
imagine the trouble it'd cause if ReactOS was being deployed over a large
network and every hostname was the same?!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark IJbema" <mark(a)ijbema.xs4all.nl>
To: <ros-general(a)reactos.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [ros-general] "My Computer" and co.


>   On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 10:27:37PM -0800, Sukotto
> wrote:
> >   I agree with those other 3 people on this. Maybe
> > the
> >  default label for "My Computer" could be the hostname? 
>  personally, i'd really like this, _however_ i do think it would be
>  really confusing to newbies, and people coming from MS Windows.
>
>  Mark
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>  ros-general mailing list
>  ros-general(a)reactos.com
>  http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
>
>

[Mark IJbema]

On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 12:59:25PM -0000, Andrew Silver Blade Greenwood wrote:
>   Considering during the Windows setup you need to set
> up the host name
>  usually, why don't we mirror that and not use "My Computer" - Can you
>  imagine the trouble it'd cause if ReactOS was being deployed over a large
>  network and every hostname was the same?! 
Sure, on the network, the names need to be different, however, you will
get people confused by giving 'my computer' a different name on each
computer (you won't get me confused, nor yourself, but you will get my
grandma confused).

Mark

[Rick Langschultz]

I think that the My Computer issue should be handled like this:
The ReactOS desktop will display the Link as "My Computer" but when you
go to something like Http://localhost/ (When reactos has a stable and a
suitable TCP/IPv4 stack, and a stable HTTP Server) it will register as
Http://thenameofyourcomputer/. Unless that is a stupid idea. Internally
a loopback driver would be supported as with most internet serving
machines, including Linux, and windows. That is what I propose!

[Jasper van de Gronde]

Perhaps it would be an idea to allow the use of environment variables in 
this kind of labels, that way people would be quite free in what naming 
scheme they use.

Sukotto wrote:

>   I agree with those other 3 people on this. Maybe the
>  default label for "My Computer" could be the hostname?
>

[Andrew "Silver Blade" Greenwood]

Hmm, I'd prefer some Registry settings.

Don't know where the settings could be though? "Users" control panel?

It could just be a case of having a single setting like "NoMyPrefix" or
something? But if they're renameable on the desktop itself (via
right-clicking and what-not), it should be fairly simple to change...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jasper van de Gronde" <th.v.d.gronde(a)hccnet.nl>
To: <ros-general(a)reactos.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [ros-general] "My Computer" and co.


>   Perhaps it would be an idea to allow the use of
> environment variables in
>  this kind of labels, that way people would be quite free in what naming
>  scheme they use.
>
>  Sukotto wrote:
>
> >   I agree with those other 3 people on this. Maybe
> > the
> >  default label for "My Computer" could be the hostname?
> >  
>  _______________________________________________
>  ros-general mailing list
>  ros-general(a)reactos.com
>  http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
>
>

[KJK::Hyperion]

At 00.26 07/03/2004, you wrote:
>  Can we at least have "The Computer"
> "Network" "Documents" etc. instead? 
nope, sorry. This is underlined in Windows XP and Longhorn: it's to 
differentiate them from *shared* documents, music, etc.

[Andrew "Silver Blade" Greenwood]

In which case it makes no sense, as I tend to share some of the files in My
Documents, thus making them Shared Documents.

I can understand the naming of Shared Documents etc. but its just the "MY
this, MY that, MY everything" approach. Even if it just had the users name
instead of "MY", it'd be a vast improvement.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "KJK::Hyperion" <noog(a)libero.it>
To: <ros-general(a)reactos.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 3:42 AM
Subject: Re: [ros-general] "My Computer" and co.


>   At 00.26 07/03/2004, you wrote:
> >  Can we at least have "The Computer"
> > "Network" "Documents" etc. instead? 
>  nope, sorry. This is underlined in Windows XP and Longhorn: it's to
>  differentiate them from *shared* documents, music, etc.
>
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>  http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
>
>

[David Dunn]

Andrew "Silver Blade" Greenwood wrote:

>  In which case it makes no sense, as I tend to share
> some of the files in My
> Documents, thus making them Shared Documents.
>
> I can understand the naming of Shared Documents etc. but its just the "MY
> this, MY that, MY everything" approach. Even if it just had the users name
> instead of "MY", it'd be a vast improvement.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "KJK::Hyperion" <noog(a)libero.it>
> To: <ros-general(a)reactos.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 3:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [ros-general] "My Computer" and co.
>
>
>   
>
> >  At 00.26 07/03/2004, you wrote:
> >     
> >
> > >  Can we at least have "The Computer"
> > > "Network" "Documents" etc. instead?
> > >       
> > >  
> > nope, sorry. This is underlined in Windows XP and Longhorn: it's to
> > differentiate them from *shared* documents, music, etc.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ros-general mailing list
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> > http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> >
> >
> >     
> >  
> _______________________________________________
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> http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
>
> .
>
>   
>  
ok then, how about naming things <adminname>'s computer,
<username>'s 
docs, etc?

[Andrew "Silver Blade" Greenwood]

>   ok then, how about naming things
> <adminname>'s computer, <username>'s
>  docs, etc? 
I don't think the admin's name should be used, otherwise that's worse than
just "my computer" - can you imagine going into work and logging on to be
greeted by "Administrator's Computer" on the desktop?

[Rick Parrish]

On XP Home edition, I just clicked on the text label for "My Computer" 
and renamed it to "This Computer". The issue over "My This" and
"My 
That" labels is just semantics - a default installation.
-rick

[Richard Campbell]

You are quite free to rename them.

Andrew "Silver Blade" Greenwood wrote:

>  Just a small request, after having to endure
> Microsoft's attempts to make
> everything "mine".
>
> Can we PLEASE not mirror Microsoft's:
> - My Computer
> - My Network Places
> - My Documents
> - My Pictures
> - My Music
>
> and so on.
>
> Can we at least have "The Computer" "Network" "Documents"
> etc. instead?
> Something a little less selfish-sounding please!
>
> May seem like a stupid request, but I have spent a long time tweaking
> Windows to stop it from reminding me that my files are, in fact, my files,
> along with anything anyone else in my family save on my computer.
>
> So, erm, can we get rid of all this "me me me", or at least make it
> optional?
>
> -Andrew
>
> _______________________________________________
> ros-general mailing list
> ros-general(a)reactos.com
> http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
>
>   
>

[Andrew "Silver Blade" Greenwood]

I know, I just wanted to hear what everyone else thought :)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Campbell" <eek2121(a)comcast.net>
To: <ros-general(a)reactos.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: [ros-general] "My Computer" and co.


>   You are quite free to rename them.
>
>  Andrew "Silver Blade" Greenwood wrote:
>
>  >Just a small request, after having to endure Microsoft's attempts to make
>  >everything "mine".
>  >
>  >Can we PLEASE not mirror Microsoft's:
>  >- My Computer
>  >- My Network Places
>  >- My Documents
>  >- My Pictures
>  >- My Music
>  >
>  >and so on.
>  >
>  >Can we at least have "The Computer" "Network"
> "Documents" etc. instead?
>  >Something a little less selfish-sounding please!
>  >
>  >May seem like a stupid request, but I have spent a long time tweaking
>  >Windows to stop it from reminding me that my files are, in fact, my 
files,
> >  along with
> > anything anyone else in my family save on my computer.
> >
> > So, erm, can we get rid of all this "me me me", or at least make it
> > optional?
> >
> > -Andrew
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > ros-general mailing list
> > ros-general(a)reactos.com
> > http://reactos.com/mailman/listinfo/ros-general
> >
> >
> >  
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