Ros-general October 2005

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RE: Issue 3. [Re: [ros-general] ROS-User-Issues]
by jwalsh＠bigpond.net.au 27 Oct '05

27 Oct '05

---- Lyrical Nanoha <LyricalNanoha(a)dosius.net> wrote: > On Thu, 27 Oct 2005, Murphy, Ged (Bolton) wrote: > > > 9x is dead. It's not coming back, and I can't think of anyone besides > > yourself who would want it back. > > It's a terrible, terrible operating system which is better left dead and > > buried. > > I know a handful of people who hate the NT-based systems and want their 98 > back (or refuse to upgrade past 98 even to 2000 which is a far superior > system). They want their legacy support. > > Granted, if I could do it I would simply because I'm prolly the only one > with a snowball's chance in hell of being able to pull it off, who > actually gives a damn about the 9x series anymore, lol. > Let's wait and see shall we. cheers and rosuccess Justin > -uso. > _______________________________________________ > ros-general mailing list > ros-general(a)reactos.org > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general

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RE: Issue 3. [Re: [ros-general] ROS-User-Issues]
by Murphy, Ged (Bolton) 27 Oct '05

27 Oct '05

> -----Original Message----- > From: jwalsh(a)bigpond.net.au [mailto:jwalsh@bigpond.net.au] > Sent: 27 October 2005 03:14 > To: ReactOS General List > Cc: John Vandenberg > Subject: Re: Issue 3. [Re: [ros-general] ROS-User-Issues] > > > Just give me a good reason why I'm not contributing and I'll > gladly leave ReactOS. No one is saying you should leave. It's just that you seem to go off on a tangent, and no one understands what's going on. I don't mind though, I think it's funny :) > I want to embrace all which flows from FreeDOS to ReactOS and beyond. > but, not forget 9x in between. 9x is dead. It's not coming back, and I can't think of anyone besides yourself who would want it back. It's a terrible, terrible operating system which is better left dead and buried. Here is a good example. You started off talking about not giving in, not sure what that was all about The moved onto USB, and swiftly onto FreeDOS, ReactOS and then '98 Then you just seemed to tag the following on to the end > Before I lost my business in 1987 I sold networked > Multiprocessors using PCMOS/386. > I was one of the few in the business at that time. And I understood this post better than most :p Ged. ************************************************************************ The information contained in this message or any of its attachments is confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. The information may also be legally privileged. The views expressed may not be company policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact postmaster(a)exideuk.co.uk <mailto:postmaster@exideuk.co.uk> and then delete this message. Exide Technologies is an industrial and transportation battery producer and recycler with operations in 89 countries. Further information can be found at www.exide.com

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Re: Issue 3. [Re: [ros-general] ROS-User-Issues]
by jwalsh＠bigpond.net.au 27 Oct '05

27 Oct '05

Thanks John. I am not giving up. I just expect a "fair go". That is all. Just give me a good reason why I'm not contributing and I'll gladly leave ReactOS. Looking on the bright side, that item about the USB thumbdrive is a good one. I've been struggling over that one too. I want to embrace all which flows from FreeDOS to ReactOS and beyond. but, not forget 9x in between. I dont see any reason why 9x must remain single user. Before I lost my business in 1987 I sold networked Multiprocessors using PCMOS/386. I was one of the few in the business at that time. Cheers and rosuccess Justin ---- John Vandenberg <jayvdb(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 10/27/05, jwalsh(a)bigpond.net.au <jwalsh(a)bigpond.net.au> wrote: > > My ISP has sent all of us a blunt eviction (by stealth) notice, otherwise, I like most > > other simple DOS users, am more than happy with what I have already. > > They also said their policy is conditioned by Microsoft. > > I don't really need NT. Is it something I have got to have? > > Justin, I have bad news for you. Big ISP's support popular platforms, > and their support staff don't often stray too far from the rolled > answers. If you tell them you are still on Win95, I expect you have a > moderately good chance that someone at bigpond will know the answer. > But ReactOS is not your salvation -- 99% of their support staff will > wonder what drugs you are on if you ask for support and tell them that > you are using ReactOS. > > I know this personally because I have been unable to find an ISP that > will openly support my mother running Fedora. In regional South-East > Queensland where my mother lives, her options are limited to either a > large ISP, or a tiny ISP, neither of which want to understand Linux at > the tech-support level. > > At the end of the day, if you choose to use unsupported software, you > need to find your own support, either through mailing listings, or by > purchasing it from someone else. > > > I am carefull not to put a lot of energy into a "Code Farm", for the large corporations > > (to my knowledge M$ invented the practice, I've merely identified it). > > It sounds like you are asking ... `If I risk my neck for you, will I > get a chance to kill Englishmen? ' (Braveheart) I suspect that the > answer is `Fight for [ReactOS], and you get to kill English! `. > > Besides that aside, there is always a very good chance that open > source will benefit large corporations. For example, in the future, > IBM might choose to roll out a ReactOS environment as a way of running > Win32 services. But whenever open source is used in this way, it > means big business can use their money to either funnel back into open > source, or employ more R&D staff, or solve world peace. And as we > have seen with IBM, when a big corporation uses open source to make > money, the human nature within the company usually means that from top > to bottom, the company has decided to be a responsible part of this > interwoven world. > > I hope you find a relaxing way to assist open source here in Oz during > your retirement. > > -- > John > > _______________________________________________ > ros-general mailing list > ros-general(a)reactos.org > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general

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Re: Issue 3. [Re: [ros-general] ROS-User-Issues]
by jwalsh＠bigpond.net.au 27 Oct '05

27 Oct '05

Thanks David. That is what I am trying to figure out myself. It was the rare courtesy I found here, which has kept me here this long. That appears to be running out, now that it is discovered I don't blindly follow the dictates of leaders. It's an Australian obsession. The answers I need to get go beyond the mere "Part Fabrication" or the "Componant Assembly". I've done my time in industry and retired, a slave no longer. I need to know this: Will I actually be working for Microsoft? For nothing? As I said from the outset, I'm here only because I see the writing on the wall for 9x. My ISP has sent all of us a blunt eviction (by stealth) notice, otherwise, I like most other simple DOS users, am more than happy with what I have already. They also said their policy is conditioned by Microsoft. I don't really need NT. Is it something I have got to have? However it seems that no reason at all need be given, by reactOS, why we must relocate to NT (irrespective of whether it is FAt or not). Its a strange attitude for a socalled free organisation. So I guess by stalling for time I might elicite from the Ros-Users a credible answer. I'm definately not stalking or trolling. I am carefull not to put a lot of energy into a "Code Farm", for the large corporations (to my knowledge M$ invented the practice, I've merely identified it). I still wish you all Good Cheer and a rosuccess. Thanks for the opportunity Justin ---- David Hinz <post.center(a)gmail.com> wrote: > _______________________________________________ > ros-general mailing list > ros-general(a)reactos.org > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general

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Issue 0. [Re: [ros-general] ROS-User-Issues]
by jwalsh＠bigpond.net.au 26 Oct '05

26 Oct '05

When I do finally get the message that I am not welcome then I will announce my departure here. My Mission: Is to create a new Machine Language which is a manifold of all the other Machine languages. [see wikipedia "hello world"] I will give the Machine a means to identify concience, i.e. be apperceptive. I may call it Zero++ (just kidding). It will be pretty much as useless as I am a sick, retired person. But it will actually enable the first step which "begins the longest march". It is also called the Copernican Revolution. Simple because it, in itSelf, is not a step toward anything else. It is not and Object toward which the step is Oriented i.e. has Objective validity. It has only one property i.e. Magnitude. and Degree. And aSubject i.e. mySelf It is not described by the Cartesian Cogito " I THINK therefore I AM" Which began the sequence called Enlightenment. But with "I AM therefore I THINK". I am a former metal worker cum programmer cum user. In order for me to have worth I have separated out the Users from the Programmers. Each has their own separate issues. Already I find the Programmers are questioning the right of a User to know nothing about Programming and find it clever to take an ignorant User question and lead into a trivial deadend, thereby exhausting the ignorant User. This practice of killing by confusion is a common practice and is called OBFUSCATION. Microsoft is perfecting the technique whilst stimulating the spread of "code farms". I will not be confused. I will confine such heretical statements to this thread. That way I am easily identified. The "devil you know is better than the devil you don't know". Rosuccess Justin > Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 6:36:31 +1000 > From: "jwalsh(a)bigpond.net.au" <jwalsh(a)bigpond.net.au> > To: ReactOS General List <ros-general(a)reactos.org> > Subject: Re: Issue 3. [Re: [ros-general] ROS-User-Issues] > Cc: David Hinz <post.center(a)gmail.com> > > Thanks David. > > That is what I am trying to figure out myself. > It was the rare courtesy I found here, which has kept me here this long. > > That appears to be running out, now that it is discovered I don't blindly follow the dictates of leaders. It's an Australian obsession. > > The answers I need to get go beyond the mere "Part Fabrication" or the "Componant Assembly". I've done my time in industry and retired, a slave no longer. > > I need to know this: Will I actually be working for Microsoft? For nothing? > > As I said from the outset, I'm here only because I see the writing on the wall for 9x. > > My ISP has sent all of us a blunt eviction (by stealth) notice, otherwise, I like most other simple DOS users, am more than happy with what I have already. > They also said their policy is conditioned by Microsoft. > I don't really need NT. Is it something I have got to have? > > However it seems that no reason at all need be given, by reactOS, why we must relocate to NT (irrespective of whether it is FAt or not). > Its a strange attitude for a socalled free organisation. > > So I guess by stalling for time I might elicite from the Ros-Users a credible answer. > I'm definately not stalking or trolling. > > I am carefull not to put a lot of energy into a "Code Farm", for the large corporations (to my knowledge M$ invented the practice, I've merely identified it). > > I still wish you all Good Cheer and a rosuccess. > > Thanks for the opportunity > > Justin > > > > ---- David Hinz <post.center(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > _______________________________________________ > > ros-general mailing list > > ros-general(a)reactos.org > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general > > _______________________________________________ > ros-general mailing list > ros-general(a)reactos.org > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general

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Reactos installing on pen stick usb2.0
by attkk444 26 Oct '05

26 Oct '05

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Issue 3. [Re: [ros-general] ROS-User-Issues]
by jwalsh＠bigpond.net.au 26 Oct '05

26 Oct '05

Thanks Derek. > > Is this an issue worth pursuing? I take it you are saying, no it is not an issue worth pursuing. I'm interested if there might be an similar solid opinion regarding the other points as well. So from your explanation it sounds like a good thing i.e taking something which is well grounded and building on it. Forward to perfection so to speak. I must admit that I have not as yet had good results: It simply does not work on my stock standard Thankpad 600E. [Please I am not asking for it either]. learning about it is the way I work. My fear has been that if I do ask a silly question then some clever so and so will say: Stop winging, take responsibility for your life, rfm and fix it. Microsoft says: let us take responsibility for your life, rtm, and we promise in the next update it will be fixed. Is there no room for a simple ignorant user in the freeWorld of software? Cheers and rosuccess Justin ---- Derek Hinchliffe <dhinchliffe(a)mpl.com.au> wrote: > > Justin wrote: > <snip> > > Statements like ReactOS is still an Alpha release is not necessary. > > Microsoft has made the eternal Alpha release it's fortune. > > Now Red Hat has too, and most other Linux releases. > > Copy Cat Industrialised production cannot be trusted. > > I get mixed messages from ReactOS Users. > > Is this an issue worth pursuing? > > I don't think it is right to compare ReactOS stating that it is an alpha > release to Microsoft and Redhat (or other Linux distro) releases. Sure, > there is undoubtably a history of Microsoft releasing software that it has > been best to steer clear of until at least SP1, but I don't think you can > say that ReactOS is anywhere near any previous Windows release in terms of > functionality relevant to the average user. > > And nobody at this stage can expect it to be, hence the 'alpha' releases. > I think maybe it would be more appropriate to say that Microsoft and Linux > distros have made beta releases, rather than alpha. Beta releases will > generally contain the functionality expected, but may contain bugs in the > way that functionality is implemented, whereas alpha releases are > generally lacking in expected functionality. > > So I believe it is correct to term ReactOS as 'Alpha' (and to make this > clear to users, there is no point in hiding the truth) for the time being. > People are then more likely to be impressed with the progress so far (as > they should be) rather than disappointed because they expected a usable > system. > > Cheers > Derek > > > > _______________________________________________ > ros-general mailing list > ros-general(a)reactos.org > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general

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RE: SUSPICIOUS: Re: [ros-general] TDI-Based Open Source Personal Firewall
by Murphy, Ged (Bolton) 26 Oct '05

26 Oct '05

-----Original Message----- From: Alex Ionescu [mailto:ionucu@videotron.ca] Sent: 26 October 2005 10:21 To: ReactOS General List Subject: SUSPICIOUS: Re: [ros-general] TDI-Based Open Source Personal Firewall > Hi, Hi Alex. > I recommend you read into the WFP (Windows Filter Platform) which will > be part of Vista. It's included in the documentation that I've sent you > this morning on IRC. I started to read through that documentation this morning. The material you mentioned is only a presentation. I need to gather more detailed info on this. > Implementing a firewall in TDI is foolish not only > because of its place in the stack, but also because of the WPP and Windows > Kernel Sockets which will replace TDI in Blackcomb. It would be a waste to > focus on a dying technology. NDIS has been done before, but here again, > NDIS 6.0 would be recommended. I didn't know about WFP and WSK until this morning. I agree TDI is bad, but had only read about IM drivers up until now. > Personally, I would go with the WFP design...it's a great chance to have some > new technology. More information in the documentation I've send and also here: > http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/network/WFP.mspx I've recently found CableGuys blog but haven't had much chance to start reading it. I've made a point to bookmark it and will start to go through it more often. Ged. _______________________________________________ ros-general mailing list ros-general(a)reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general ************************************************************************ The information contained in this message or any of its attachments is confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. The information may also be legally privileged. The views expressed may not be company policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact postmaster(a)exideuk.co.uk <mailto:postmaster@exideuk.co.uk> and then delete this message. Exide Technologies is an industrial and transportation battery producer and recycler with operations in 89 countries. Further information can be found at www.exide.com

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Re: Issue 1. [Re: [ros-general] ROS-User-Issues]
by jwalsh＠bigpond.net.au 26 Oct '05

26 Oct '05

Hi fellow ros-Users. So far no silly programmers have bother to break into our trivial pursuit. I hope it is because they are too serious to be bothered. To be fair I started this with a silly mistake. Sorry, and pleased at the outcome. I would like to end it with a serious analytical guess. Ahem, cough ! If we add an "e" we get User NeT(work) . Ok with that? Now it we add the Letter for the the other great *nix discovery i.e. "X" (terminal). Still OK? Put them both together you get NeXT, for Jobs's Apple HyperText and HyperCard Which today is the backbone of the Internet. Jobs takes his payout after being dumped from Apple, takes the bit he missed from Xerox Smalltalk80 and builds NeXT computers, the ferrari of Computers. He brings it back to Apple again put it on a Linux kernel and calles it NextStep. Together (AIM group Apple, IBM and Motorolla) they build the "G" series. Microsofts decides to catch up by applying it to his own hardware base i.e. Intel. It is called the Wintel group. This may just be a lot of proverbial codswallop, but as User-gossip goes, it does provide a base for further investigation. Can we lift the level a bit? So can I close Issue 1.0 and suggest opening, maybe Issue 2.0? Cheers and rosuccess Justin ---- KJKHyperion <hackbunny(a)reactos.com> wrote: > Alex Ionescu wrote: > > > It's not New Technology, nor Nothern Telecom, not Needs Terabytes > > neither Not There. > > how about "it means nothing"? It's just like my "KJK": historically it > stands for Kyle Jordan Klan, but today its meaning is irrelevant > _______________________________________________ > ros-general mailing list > ros-general(a)reactos.org > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general

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RE: [ros-general] TDI-Based Open Source Personal Firewall
by Murphy, Ged (Bolton) 26 Oct '05

26 Oct '05

Well I sent a reply to this, but I included an attachment and got a reply saying it was pending release. Ge, could you look at this and remove the attachment if deemed necessary. Thanks, Ged. -----Original Message----- From: James Tabor [mailto:jimtabor@adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] Sent: 26 October 2005 00:52 To: ReactOS General List Subject: [ros-general] TDI-Based Open Source Personal Firewall Hi From IRC some weeks ago. This looks good to me. http://sourceforge.net/projects/tdifw Thanks, James _______________________________________________ ros-general mailing list ros-general(a)reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-general ************************************************************************ The information contained in this message or any of its attachments is confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. The information may also be legally privileged. The views expressed may not be company policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact postmaster(a)exideuk.co.uk <mailto:postmaster@exideuk.co.uk> and then delete this message. Exide Technologies is an industrial and transportation battery producer and recycler with operations in 89 countries. Further information can be found at www.exide.com

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